Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Sep 2006 21:50 UTC
Windows Microsoft's Windows Vista RC 1 is done. Now it's up to the estimated 6 million testers to which the company is planning to release the code to determine if it really is ready for prime time. Microsoft has posted the RC 1 build, Number 5600, on its TechBeta Web sites for select technical beta testers, including TAP partners, on September 1. Microsoft is planning to broaden the beta to include up to six million participants, total, some time next week, according to industry sources. Cnet has a video introduction to Vista RC1. Elsewhere, people are going bonkers over Vista's... Start up sound. Major Tom to ground control?
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atsureki
Member since:
2006-03-12

You scraped close to it in there, somewhere. The startup chime is an equivalent of the POST beep from PCs, indicating that everything seems to be working and booting will commence, but unlike that horrid beep, it also says "you're using a powerful, well-engineered, and modern machine." If I were Microsoft, I'd be trying to get OEMs to stick my trademark sound in the BIOS, and then charge a licensing fee for it. At any stage in software loading, it's too late and just annoyingly unnecessary.

I do like, though, this mention of a "ready" sound. Not because I want one, but because I think it's funny that Microsoft acknowledges their software isn't ready when it looks like it is and this is their best plan for how to deal with that. Any other platform, if you see a login screen, you can type in it. If you see a desktop, you can click on it. I can just imagine the Mac vs. PC ad about this little gem now.

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

"The startup chime is an equivalent of the POST beep from PCs"

Crap. The POST beep(s) are a way to simply tell a technician what's broken in your PC. One beep tells everything is ok.
The Startup chime is pure marketing crap.

"it also says "you're using a powerful, well-engineered, and modern machine"

It could be a powerful and well engineered machine. But not a well engineered OS. So it should be the hardware that chimed, not the OS.

"If I were Microsoft, I'd be trying to get OEMs to stick my trademark sound in the BIOS, and then charge a licensing fee for it"

You would be loosing branding.

"At any stage in software loading, it's too late and just annoyingly unnecessary."

My Linux PC doesn't chime and put dancing clips on my screen. If you don't like the startup chime, disable it. If there's no way to disable it, buy a Mac or install Linux.

"I do like, though, this mention of a "ready" sound"

When my machine is ready, I know because I can use it. People don't need a chime to tell them «go ahead». There's the common problems asociated with Windows that could make this usefull, as your computer being completely loaded with crap and taking too much time to actually boot. As Windows presents you an unusable desktop while loading applications in background, then I assume most people would really wait until they are given some kind of signal, like the chime. So you are right on this.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Crap. The POST beep(s) are a way to simply tell a technician what's broken in your PC. One beep tells everything is ok.

And any other combination of beeps is pretty much random and probably undocumented. It's like the POST beep because it's a comfort sound that says everything seems to be working.

It could be a powerful and well engineered machine. But not a well engineered OS. So it should be the hardware that chimed, not the OS.

It is the hardware.

"If I were Microsoft, I'd be trying to get OEMs to stick my trademark sound in the BIOS, and then charge a licensing fee for it"

You would be loosing branding.


They've gotten away with worse. Just tell the OEM people won't trust that it's genuine Windows unless they insert the sound, which will cost them a dollar per motherboard.

My Linux PC doesn't chime and put dancing clips on my screen. If you don't like the startup chime, disable it. If there's no way to disable it, buy a Mac or install Linux.

I don't know what you imagine my situation to be exactly. I'm talking about the article, not about how miserable my life is due to the constant onslaught of MS-engineered sound effects and animations, and within the context of the article, I'm talking about how sticking the sound in software is cheap and unnecessary. Yeah, MS flair is annoying, but that's a different discussion. I mean, did you read what I wrote, or are you just taking random clips of it as inspiration for an entirely unrelated expression of your opinion on completely different topics? That's fine and all, but you might want to preface it with "this made me thing of something..."

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Chime Diagnostics
by PAPPP on Sat 2nd Sep 2006 01:39 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the big deal about the sound?"
PAPPP Member since:
2006-07-26

It's apparently not the case any more, but older mac startup chimes DO change for bootup errors, in a predictable way. Some of them are really almost musical. Wikipedia has it under "Chimes of Death" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimes_of_Death

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DittoBox Member since:
2005-07-08

POST beeps go off differently if something's SNAFU'd in your box. On Macs AFAIK they just don't make a sound. What good are they if they can be shut off as easily as turning off your speakers?

The POST beeps are odd in my opinion anyway. They shouldn't go off unless there is a serious hardware problem. That way when it beeps like that people know there's something wrong.

An even more elegant solution is the D-Bracket and the D LED scheme from MSI. On their motherboards there are four LEDS, eithe on a bracket that attaches to the back of PC or one that was on the mobo itself. They flash in different patterns during POST, and if the system stops or has problems during POST those LEDs will show in a certain combo of green and red indicating the type of failure, just like the different tones and beeps that occur.

At any rate I want my computer silent until I tell it to make noise with my multimedia apps. It's annoying to me and others for various noises to happen when I click on things, boot up etc.

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MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

The POST beeps are odd in my opinion anyway. They shouldn't go off unless there is a serious hardware problem. That way when it beeps like that people know there's something wrong.

The most serious problems are when the box can't even post, and doesn't beep at all. If it only beeped when there was a problem, "can't post" would sound just like normal.

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