Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Sep 2006 20:59 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption "Jon Ellch was one of the presenters of the now infamous 'faux disclosure' at Black Hat and DEFCON last month. Ellch and co-presenter Dave Maynor have gone silent since then, fueling speculation that the entire presentation may have been a hoax. Ellch finally broke the silence in an email to the Daily Dave security mailing list over the weekend, and one thing is clear: he is chafing under the cone of silence which has been placed over the two of them."
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RE: Patronizing
by Ford Prefect on Mon 4th Sep 2006 23:50 UTC in reply to "Patronizing"
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2006-01-16

I think the sentence "Nothing I could say would ever convince them." is the important one. He could explain to them why they are wrong, but by his experience of their behaviour, talking (and topics, like look & feel), he believes they just wouldn't understand his explanation.

This is reasonable. Although I myself (not a Mac user) care about user interfaces and also know how a decent OS kernel works. But I guess even if I would be a Mac user, I wouldn't flame in a blog about some hackers who showed what I just don't want to believe...

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RE[2]: Patronizing
by neowolf on Tue 5th Sep 2006 00:09 in reply to "RE: Patronizing"
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2005-07-06

I think that's not really that reasonable honestly. I mean the position is that if you decided to actually prove your claims the opposition would just deny reality in the face of your evidence. Which while that in itself is indeed quite a possibility and comes up in many arguments these days concerning topics such as religion.. it doesn't seem to fly that well when we're talking about something this simple. If you have something pretty fantastic but refuse to prove it because you don't think anyone will believe you, typically you just look like a nut. As a Mac user and a rather big fan honestly, if he can prove this I want to freaking know. I don't care about Apple's rep on this. If the problem's real I want a fix. However this story just keeps getting more convoluted and harder to believe.

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RE[3]: Patronizing
by CaptainFlint on Tue 5th Sep 2006 01:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Patronizing"
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2006-01-24

So you wouldn't mind giving these guys access to your crack legal team? We cannot over look the possibility of legal encumberments placed to full disclosure. Read what he says about the involvement of legal elements.

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