Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Sep 2006 20:41 UTC
Windows Jim Allchin, co-president of Microsoft's Platforms and Services Division, has sent an open letter to developers citing the 'tremendous opportunity' that Windows Vista gives them, adding that the time is now to get ready for the operating system. "If you want to ride the wave we're creating with Windows Vista, the best way is to have your application ready by the time we ship," Allchin said in the open letter, which appeared Sept. 15 on the Windows Vista Developer Center site. "And that is very soon." Meanwhile, Microsoft and the EU keep tiptoeing around each other when it comes to Vista and possible antitrust consequences. And if that wasn't enough, a Cisco exec says Vista is scary.
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RE[4]: MS vs EU
by blitze on Mon 18th Sep 2006 22:35 UTC
blitze
Member since:
2006-09-15

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

People winge about MS and security and when they try to do something about it. Not like they will be the be-all end all of solutions but then Symantec aren't the cluiest with their security products either. On the home user front they blow.

Will there ever be a secure piece of software, no. Will MS lie down and allow for their software to be drilled and exploited? Of course not. They will do what they have continually done in the past and that is plug the holes when they are needed to be plugged. Linux ain't much better, it's called bugs, people.

Crap, I did an Ubuntu Edgy64 Knot 2 update and I'm left with a non booting system. I haven't had such an issue with Vista RC1 yet. Still, Vista has given me a Blue Screen. Horses for courses.

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RE[5]: MS vs EU
by netpython on Tue 19th Sep 2006 08:04 in reply to "RE[4]: MS vs EU"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

They will do what they have continually done in the past and that is plug the holes when they are needed to be plugged. Linux ain't much better, it's called bugs, people.

Linux has the opportunity of mandatory access controll mechanisms like:SELinux,AppArmor,RSBAC,Grsec,etc..
I don't know if UAC is a true MAC.But after a little fidling with RC1 the admin still can do pretty much everything.MS still thinks in the trend of granting users rights instead of granting software rights.Software will allways have bugs and thus can never be fully trusted.
Windows can never be as secure as linux,*BSD per definition because the target audience is expecting utter convenience and as we all know user friendlyness is disproportional to security.You simply have to compromise if aunt Granny has to have her positive experience aswell.The more granular the system security is the "harder" to use.Furthermore linux doesn't have a tight release shedule and millions of peoples lifes depending on wether it succeeds or not.It's indeed merely voluntary because people love to code and make things working.

Crap, I did an Ubuntu Edgy64 Knot 2 update and I'm left with a non booting system. I haven't had such an issue with Vista RC1 yet.

RC1 gave me a blue screen see here:http://netpython.blogspot.com

That doesn't say much nor does the fact that Edgy Knot2 left your system unbootable.Both are developer versions not ready yet to be released,such things can occasionally happen.

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RE[6]: MS vs EU
by h3rman on Tue 19th Sep 2006 08:43 in reply to "RE[5]: MS vs EU"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

>> Windows can never be as secure as linux,*BSD per definition because the target audience is expecting utter convenience and as we all know user friendlyness is disproportional to security. You simply have to compromise if aunt Granny has to have her positive experience aswell. The more granular the system security is the "harder" to use. <<

That makes no sense. It's not about user-friendliness vs. security, that would make OSX an insecure system. And a lot of Linux distros too, by the way. It's all about carefully separating userland from the core system where all the essential stuff happens.

>> Furthermore linux doesn't have a tight release shedule and millions of peoples lifes depending on wether it succeeds or not. <<

Microsoft doesn't even have a release schedule at all. ;) And please, it's just software. Nobody's life has ever depended on Microsoft's success. The less successful Vista is, the better life gets, IMHO.

(That's no flame, it's a fact that it would be a blessing for software quality and competition in general.)

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