Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 12:18 UTC, submitted by danwarne
Windows Want to be able to access your machine anytime, anywhere? Can't be bothered purchasing a domain name and configuring Dynamic DNS? Microsoft has a solution: the 'Windows Internet Computer Name' - a unique domain name for your computer. There is one small catch though: you have to be using the next-generation networking protocol IPv6 which, although thoroughly integrated into Windows Vista, isn't supported by most home routers yet.
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legal clues
by Ookaze on Tue 7th Nov 2006 13:44 UTC
Ookaze
Member since:
2005-11-14

PRNP is patented by MS. There, it's the end of the story, especially knowing MS behaviour (look at the mail antispam issue).
No router will include this technology.
MS still has not understood what standards are, they still haven't learned the lesson from 15 years before, when they said Internet was just a fad.
DNS is already better just for being standard and free to use to all.
Dynamic DNS is completely irrelevant here, as we're talking IPv6, where Dynamic DNS just isn't needed at all.
So I find it disturbing that the article says it's useful, as your protocol won't even pass through the first IPv6 router or firewall.
Or is PRNP free for all to use ? I have high doubts about that.

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RE: legal clues
by l3v1 on Tue 7th Nov 2006 14:24 in reply to "legal clues"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

they still haven't learned the lesson

Oh yes, they do learn. They just don't give up. They try and try until one day...

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RE: legal clues
by DonQ on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:51 in reply to "legal clues"
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2005-06-29

PRNP is patented by MS. There, it's the end of the story, especially knowing MS behaviour (look at the mail antispam issue).
No router will include this technology.


Router doesn't need to implement PRNP, router needs to route IPv6 or at least support IPv6 tunneling (many home routers don't).

IMHO such service from Microsoft can really push IPv6 forward.

What kind on router you'll buy - with or without PRNP support? What kind of ISP you'll choose - with or without IPv6 support? Once router makers and ISP smell that IPv6 may grow their sales - IPv6 support will included.

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RE[2]: legal clues
by Ookaze on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:15 in reply to "RE: legal clues"
Ookaze Member since:
2005-11-14

So you tell me routers don't need to implement PRNP, and the article says the contrary : who is right ?
A patented service won't ever push anything.
An unreliable service (for an enterprise) mainly made for gamers that want to do LAN parties won't push any IPv6. At least try to find some valid reason why it would push IPv6.
I'll never buy a router with PRNP support, that makes no sense, as this protocol makes no sense to me (especially since I have only Linux machines, and my main router is a n old Linux laptop). When my ISP get IPv6 support, I'll switch, I surely won't switch to another because it has IPv6 before, that makes no sense either.
IPv6 won't grow any ISP sells. IPv6 is far more complicated than IPv4, which most home users just don't get at all already.
Case in point, this tutorial for PRNP furiously mimics a Linux howto with lots of command line. Ask the Windows zealots what they think of command line ...
So much for pushing IPv6.

No really, I would not complain if it wasn't for the stupid patent on this. The MS some so-called smart people said could adapt actually can't : they didn't change their way one bit since the start of the internet era for everyone (1996 I think), where they tried to impose their protocols nearly the same way.

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RE: legal clues
by danwarne on Tue 7th Nov 2006 21:20 in reply to "legal clues"
danwarne Member since:
2005-09-04

Dynamic DNS is completely irrelevant here, as we're talking IPv6, where Dynamic DNS just isn't needed at all.

Why does IPv6 remove the need for dynamic DNS? Having a lot more IP addresses out there doesn't remove the need to translate a human-readable name into a long string of numbers... unless I'm missing something?

Edited 2006-11-07 21:24

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RE[2]: legal clues
by Ookaze on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:26 in reply to "RE: legal clues"
Ookaze Member since:
2005-11-14

OMG !!!!
The problem is not the DNS part of "Dynamic DNS", the problem is the "Dynamic" part.
Let me give you the minimum clues to continue this discussion (let's think right) :
1st question : what is Dynamic DNS for ? It's for people who can't be sure they'll get the same IP address the next time their machine is connected to the internet, so that you can get to them anyway.
Why is it so that some people don't get the same IP address every time ? That's because there is not enough IP address reserved by lots of ISP, so they can't assign one unique IP address to everybody (which also means they can't have everybody connected at once).
One of the benefits of IPv6, is that there are so much IP address available, that EVERY single people on earth will be able to have not only one IP address, but an entire subnetwork of IPs just for him alone (and there will still have plenty available after that).
So Dynamic DNS will disappear, as it won't have any purpose anymore. That's also perhaps why most free DynDNS services also allows you to have some free static DNS service (but it's in their domain, so you're better off with a .info which is very cheap, 1 / year in France).

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RE: legal clues
by Soulbender on Wed 8th Nov 2006 03:16 in reply to "legal clues"
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2005-08-18

"No router will include this technology."

Routers dont need to implement it.

"Dynamic DNS is completely irrelevant here, as we're talking IPv6, where Dynamic DNS just isn't needed at all."

IPv6 doesn't magically give every machine a resolvable name so Dynamic DNS has just a much use with v6 as with v4.

"So I find it disturbing that the article says it's useful, as your protocol won't even pass through the first IPv6 router or firewall."

It will pass thru any ipv6 router and any ipv6 firewalll that doesnt block PNRP.

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