Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:56 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Often cast as the peacemaker in free software disputes, Bruce Perens is on the warpath. When we caught up with him, he wasn't in a mood to be charitable to Novell. On Friday the Utah company, which markets the SuSE Linux distribution, revealed that it was entering into a partnership with Microsoft. Redmond would pay Novell an undisclosed sum in return for Novell recognizing Microsoft's intellectual property claims. Novell received a 'Covenant' promising that it wouldn't be sued by Microsoft."It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software'", he told us. "Novell is in a desperate position - it has a smaller share of the market than Debian,"" he told The Register. Update: Novell responds to community's questions: here, here and here. Update 2: Havoc Pennington's take.
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RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Microsoft, Novell?"
NotParker
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2006-06-01

NotParker (for I do believe he is the Unknown Downmodder):

I don't mod anyone up or down. I think I did once months ago. I freely allow any moderators to confirm or deny the above statement.

You, on the other hand, have stated quite categorically that you love to mod me down.

That makes you a hypocritical weasel.

Yes, you hate Linux. You hate anyone who does not hate Linux.

Actually, I hate those who spend much of their time spewing venom at anyone who: uses Microsoft software; who does not think Microsoft is the Devil; who does not kiss the *ss of OSS.

I do enjoy pointing how much of the OSS movement behaves like a cult, how much it revels in hating Microsoft and I like to mock the hypocrisy of its stances to PDF, ODF and OpenXML.

And I really enjoy mocking those who profess to want "open standards" but think Microsoft is EVIL for submitting OpenXML and .NET to ECMA and think anyone who uses those standards has made a pact with the DEVIL.

Edited 2006-11-08 01:10

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RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?
by somebody on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

blahblah

That makes you a hypocritical weasel.

Actually, I hate those who spend much of their time spewing venom at anyone who: uses Microsoft software; who does not think Microsoft is the Devil; who does not kiss the *ss of OSS.

I do enjoy pointing how much of the OSS movement behaves like a cult, how much it revels in hating Microsoft and I like to mock the hypocrisy of its stances to PDF, ODF and OpenXML.

And I really enjoy mocking those who profess to want "open standards" but think Microsoft is EVIL for submitting OpenXML and .NET to ECMA and think anyone who uses those standards has made a pact with the DEVIL


And these are the reasons why I needed just copy/paste summary about you right from your comment

That makes you a hypocritical weasel.

Edited 2006-11-08 01:24

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RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

NotParker (for I do believe he is the Unknown Downmodder):

I don't mod anyone up or down. I think I did once months ago. I freely allow any moderators to confirm or deny the above statement.


Fine, we'll let them settle it, shall we?

You, on the other hand, have stated quite categorically that you love to mod me down.

That makes you a hypocritical weasel.


You continually make posts which are off-topic, slanderous, or just plain trolling. That gives anyone the right to mod you down. As for being a "hypocritical little weasel," or any other, such pseudo-sophisticated, slanderously libellous drivel you can come up with: takes one to know one.

Actually, I hate those who spend much of their time spewing venom at anyone who: uses Microsoft software;

I may spew venom at MS, but not at MS users.

You clearly have an inferiority complex about this if you believe what you wrote to be the case.

who does not think Microsoft is the Devil; who does not kiss the *ss of OSS.

In my view closed source software is unethical; you in turn have stated several times you believe OSS is unethical. I do not however spend time "spewing venom" (I seem to remember you using that phrase once before; how original of you to use it again) at people who disagree with me on this point. I also seem to remember your recent complete silence when called on your tactics (if that isn't all too grand a name for your underhandedness) by another OSnews reader.

I do enjoy pointing how much of the OSS movement behaves like a cult,

You appear to be eager to form a closed-source cult of your own.

how much it revels in hating Microsoft

which is, admittedly, the epitome of a company that has no ethics; that is nothing to do with its being a closed source software company in itself.

and I like to mock the hypocrisy of its stances to PDF, ODF and OpenXML.

Since you've been corrected on this, and other points, many times over, it would appear you simply enjoy mocking those with whom you disagree. Kindly grow up.

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v RE[5]: Microsoft, Novell?
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?"
RE[5]: Microsoft, Novell?
by DigitalAxis on Wed 8th Nov 2006 02:15 in reply to "RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?"
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Or you could just... stop paying attention to notParker.
I don't agree with him most of the time either, but he's still entitled to his opinion.

If it's really trolling it'll be modded down. If it's wrong someone will point out the correct answer.

Anyway, this is supposed to be about Microsoft and Novell. I've already said everything I want to say on the issue thus far in the FIRST of these series of articles, so I won't repeat it here.

Edited 2006-11-08 02:20

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RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?
by Valhalla on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

NotParker wrote:
"I do enjoy pointing how much of the OSS movement behaves like a cult, how much it revels in hating Microsoft and I like to mock the hypocrisy of its stances to PDF, ODF and OpenXML. "

I too dislike those who categorically take the side of either FOSS or Microsoft no matter what. it's funny though that you would like to mock those 'cultists', since you are one of them.

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RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?
by macisaac on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?"
macisaac Member since:
2005-08-28

well about the only poster I (and I'd imagine many other folks here) see who pretty much consistently in almost every linux discussion that comes up feel the needs to spew some negative insult towards a certain OS and it's fans is, well, you. Look, I like Linux. Really I do. In fact, I make my living largely supporting it in a large university environment. But guess what? I'm typing this comment from IE7 on an XP box at home, that I also happen to really enjoy using as well. Your comment about the OSS "community" just doesn't hold water when you actually work with this stuff. Sure you can find your usual slashdotesque comment on the net about "Windoze Sux" "MS blows" blah blah blah. But does that mean all those fortune enterprises running their companies backends on Linux, all those supercomputers across the world, those root name servers, etc., you really think their admins are folk who'll talk like that? And that the CEOs of said companies will buy that type of argument? Or are those comments more likely coming from some kid runing his counter strike server on a linux box?

Did a penguin bite and give you rabies or something? You really seem to be dripping in venom towards, an OS... That's kind of sad really.

Edited 2006-11-08 01:26

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RE[5]: Microsoft, Novell?
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Given that a major motivation for Linus Torvalds choosing a penguin to represent Linux was that he was bitten by one as a child, maybe being bitten by a penguin would do NotParker some good! ;-)

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RE[4]: Microsoft, Novell?
by hal2k1 on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Microsoft, Novell?"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

"And I really enjoy mocking those who profess to want "open standards" but think Microsoft is EVIL for submitting OpenXML and .NET to ECMA"

There isn't anything wrong with OpenXML and .NET in and of themselves.

The problem is the fact that these supposedly "open" standards call up supporting functionality that is not open, in fact proprietary and Windows-only, and that is their failing.

As just one example ... ODF relies on SVG and SMIL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
"Many of the components it is built on (such as SMIL for audio and multimedia and SVG for vector graphics)"
... which in turn are open W3C standards.

In contrast, the supporting functionality that OpenXML and .NET rely upon are sometimes Windows-only proprietary functions. ActiveX is but one example of a Windows-only OOXML dependency.

For more information, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_office_document_formats_debat...

I don't think Microsoft is EVIL here. They are, however, seeking to obscure that their "alternative open standards", while in theory are open for anyone to implement, are in fact only open for anyone to implement for a Windows platform.

This is clearly in Microsoft's best interest (and Microsoft I suppose are entitled to act in Microsoft's best interest), but none of that changes the fact that we as end users should look to our own best interests also ... and given Microsoft's attempts to continue lock-in to Microsoft platforms, our best interests as end users is clearly served by avoiding OOXML.

Edited 2006-11-08 01:34

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