Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 18:16 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Novell and Ximian Novell and Microsoft recently entered into an agreement regarding software patents (really?) that betrays the rest of the Free Software community, including the very people who wrote Novell's own system, for Novell's sole financial beneift, according to Bruce Perens. Join Perens in signing an open letter to Novell's CEO Ron Hovsepian. "As the agreement stands today, it betrays the authors of the software you re-market and their users worldwide for Novell's sole commercial benefit."
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Clue Stick
by 2fargone on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 18:54 UTC
2fargone
Member since:
2006-02-20

There are those that support Novell's pack with MS.

There are those that are ambivalant about it.

There are those who could care less, one way or another.

But there are MANY who are upset at Novell's move. And those MANY are the ones Novell needs for support else Novell will be having to support a whole lot of forks once major projects stop supporting SUSE.

Wake up Novell. This isn't going to go away. And if this in any way turns bad for the community, Novell can better believe not only will the community stop supporting SUSE, but start to actively work against Novell.

Not everything is about money. Do the right thing. Support the whole community, not just your little corner.

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RE: Clue Stick
by Marcellus on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 19:03 in reply to "Clue Stick"
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2005-08-26

But there are MANY who are upset at Novell's move. And those MANY are the ones Novell needs for support else Novell will be having to support a whole lot of forks once major projects stop supporting SUSE.

And how many are MANY?
0.1% of the market? 0.2%?
Out of current and future potential customers, I'll bet the absolute majority are not upset at it.

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RE[2]: Clue Stick
by fsckit on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 20:57 in reply to "RE: Clue Stick"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

You're obviously not getting it. Customers don't build SUSE Linux. Developers do. And it is precisely those who have been pissed off by this deal. Your percentages don't come into this at any point.

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RE: Clue Stick
by happycamper on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 22:20 in reply to "Clue Stick"
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2006-01-01

/*Not everything is about money.*/

In the corporate world everything is about money.

Edited 2006-11-22 22:25

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RE[2]: Clue Stick
by g2devi on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 23:56 in reply to "RE: Clue Stick"
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2005-07-09

> In the corporate world everything is about money.

Not really, unless you work at Enron.

In the general corporate world, "Good Will" is huge. It doesn't show up directly on the balance sheet, but if you have a lot of good will, customers order more from you and if a superior competitor comes along or if you mess up, customers don't just jump ship. They stick with you until you get back on your feet again.

Apple, for instance, is a company that has a lot of good will for both users and developers. It was only because of that good will that Apple was able to move from MacOS9 to OSX and change platforms from PowerPC to Intel. If Apple didn't have such strong good will, it would be dead now because those changes were by no means seemless nor cheap.

It's also a reason why companies invest in ROR (Return on Relationship). New customers are an order of magnitude more expensive to get than old customers, so it make a lot of financial sense to ensure that your old customers have a lot of good will towards you, even if you have to forgo trying to "milk these cash cows".

Edited 2006-11-22 23:58

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RE: Clue Stick
by happycamper on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 22:22 in reply to "Clue Stick"
happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01

/*Novell needs for support else Novell will be having to support a whole lot of forks once major projects stop supporting SUSE. */


a worst scenario i can think this might lead into is once GPLv3 is out many OSS projects like samba will move to it, because of what ms and novell
did. novell and ms will be forced to fork those projects, so they can licensed them under the GPLv2 and continue their so-called interoperability and
collaboration deal. this might split linux into two seperate communities: a corporate run linux community sponsored by ms and novell, and the OSS communities, which ms and novell might try to push it into the shadows.

Edited 2006-11-22 22:27

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RE[2]: Clue Stick
by Mitarai on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 22:24 in reply to "RE: Clue Stick"
Mitarai Member since:
2005-07-28

It won't be forked by Novell but by the community itself who doesn't stand the short vision GPLv3 and RMS have.

Edited 2006-11-22 22:26

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