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The holiday season hasn't gone exactly as Microsoft had hoped and Ballmer sits down with CNET News.com to discuss life after Vista, battling the iPod, and the rising importance of mobile devices.
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RE[7]: He said that word again
by tomcat on Mon 11th Dec 2006 22:32
in reply to "RE[6]: He said that word again"
Member since:2006-01-06
I've read that a lot of people disagree with the list of cards having problems; however, since my card is on the list and I'm having problems, I can only conclude that your mileage may vary. I included the full list because it gives a better picture of the number and type of cards that have been having problems. We're not just talking about a few fringe cards. These are all mainstream video cards.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying that Xgl is crap -- or that it won't work. The big problem is that many of the drivers suck hard. That's going to take time to fix. And, until then, I can only conclude that Xgl isn't ready for prime time, despite the reassurances of you and others. I just don't buy your anecdotal reply.
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2005-07-02
That list is seriously out-of-date, it seems.
I personally have a Radeon XPRESS 200M with the most recent drivers. Not only does Xgl work (despite what your list would indicate), it no longer requires me to changing the libGL symlink, nor does it cause high CPU usage.
Another example: NVIDIA GeForce 5600. Tried it with most recent drivers, works.
This is exactly the point I was making: a couple of months ago, it was very hard to make Xgl run. The progress since then has been nothing less than phenomenal, so that now compositing works for the vast majority of video cards. (Never mind that Xgl is *not* compositing but hardware acceleration. Compositing is handled by Beryl/Compiz.)
So I stand by my assertion, which unlike your criticism is up-to-date: right now, compositing works very well on working Linux 3D setups, and it is Vista which must catch-up to Linux.
Also, why did you post such a freakin' long list? Couldn't you just post the link? Jeez...
What I notice from the list is that there are much more cards that are supported than ones that aren't - even considering that the list is out-of-date.
Similarly, there are significant problems with "supported" cards if you don't use specific versions of drivers
Use the latest versions of ATI and Nvidia drivers and you'll be fine.
Some of these drivers are only available on certain distros.
Not true. Both NVIDIA and ATI provide distro-agnostic installers for their drivers.
I'm sorry, tomcat, but you'll need to find another bone to pick on. Support for Beryl and XGL/AIGLX has improved *dramatically* since the end of summer.
And of course, if you get the latest version of SuSE, it even works out-of-the-box, and offers much more features than what you find on Vista. Sorry.
Once again, we see that your version of the truth is inconsistent with reality.
BTW, did you notice I was able to reply to you without attacking you or questioning your credibility? Think about that.
Edited 2006-12-08 19:58