Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 00:48 UTC, submitted by dumbkiwi
KDE This is a response to the article yesterday on the progress of GNOME and KDE. Aaron Seigo, a lead KDE developer, sets out the current state of progress with KDE 4, pointing out that KDE 4 is on track for a release in mid 2007. "Thom points to a quote from me that our goal is to have a 4.0 ready sometime in the first half of next year. That gives us until sometime in June and I'm still thinking we can make it."
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Now tell us about GNOME
by Rehdon on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 07:36 UTC
Rehdon
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2005-07-06

It's great to read that KDE should be on track for next year's release, and that the devs have worked hard on the project: keep up the good work, I (and many other happy Linux users) will be following it closely.

But at the moement I also am an happy GNOME user who's a little concerned about its future. The one thing Mr. Holwerda got right in his "article" (oh my God, I'm criticizing Linux stuff Thom, go note this in your diary) is that Gnome is, at the moment, in a worse position than KDE. That's because:

1. the drive from 1.x to 2.x was largely based on usability: it was successful, but it's now over;

2. the incremental increases did a lot for Gnome, as many have noticed in these forums there's a sideral distance between 2.0 and 2.16: but is it enough to continue on this path? can you refine something from here to eternity?

3. the developer community looks divided (at least to my "external guy" eyes), see for instance the Mono debate, and surely undermanned, see the GTK+ dev remarks.

4. it also seems that the most involved devs (like Pennington) have been busy with other stuff, and that the whole subject of Gnome's future has been put in the background for the moment being.

So I'm concerned about vision, about the future programming framework, about the will to imagine a revolutionary, more than evolutionary, Gnome 3.0. It doesn't have to happen tomorrow, nor next year, evolutionary progress is fine (for me at least) at the moment. But it would be nice to know that there is a long term vision or, if not yet a vision, a movement towards creating one.

rehdon

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RE: Now tell us about GNOME
by Daniel Borgmann on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 11:44 in reply to "Now tell us about GNOME"
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2005-07-08

1. the drive from 1.x to 2.x was largely based on usability: it was successful, but it's now over;

1.x had dramatic usability issues, which are now taken care of. There is no obvious issue that would justify a complete rework (and all the pain 2.x went through) in the near future.

2. the incremental increases did a lot for Gnome, as many have noticed in these forums there's a sideral distance between 2.0 and 2.16: but is it enough to continue on this path? can you refine something from here to eternity?

I'd say that GNOME 2.x has just reached a certain maturity as a platform. The exciting part should now be to observe what people build on top of this platform, while it is continuously being refined. The "next big thing" will certainly happen as a parallel development and won't be affected by the six months release cycle.

3. the developer community looks divided (at least to my "external guy" eyes), see for instance the Mono debate, and surely undermanned, see the GTK+ dev remarks.

I see no large scale divide. Mono is just another language to write GNOME platform applications with, just like Python or Java. Gtk has always been undermanned, but that didn't stop it from kicking ass in the past and certainly won't stop it from kicking ass in the future. ;) Things can always be better, but it's not like our existence would be threatened by this.

4. it also seems that the most involved devs (like Pennington) have been busy with other stuff, and that the whole subject of Gnome's future has been put in the background for the moment being.

It certainly is in the background, because there is no pressing need at the moment. GNOME 2.x does just fine for now and I don't see anything in the competition that couldn't be added incrementally to this platform.

So I'm concerned about vision, about the future programming framework, about the will to imagine a revolutionary, more than evolutionary, Gnome 3.0. It doesn't have to happen tomorrow, nor next year, evolutionary progress is fine (for me at least) at the moment. But it would be nice to know that there is a long term vision or, if not yet a vision, a movement towards creating one.

There doesn't have to be a grand vision. GNOME 3 is most likely to happen once someone sits down and develops a new desktop concept that actually works. It can happen at any time, whenever it is necessary or whenever someone has the right inspiration. There are many ideas that can be explored, but it isn't as easy as "doing what everyone else is doing" anymore, so this probably should be an evolutionary process. Try different approaches and let the fittest survive.

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