Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 17:45 UTC
X11, Window Managers Apparently, my article a few days ago caused a bigger stir than I had anticipated, not at all unrelated to the fact that my wordings may not have been optimal. So, let me clarify things a bit.
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RE[2]: What is this all about?
by D3M0N on Sun 24th Dec 2006 06:17 UTC in reply to "RE: What is this all about?"
D3M0N
Member since:
2005-07-09

Your needs don't suit me, nor most users. Bluetooth is much more common than you think it is. Now-a-days its on many, many cell phones and PDA/PDA-like devices. It is extremely useful and to not have an application for that built in would be a "con". All modern operating systems need bluetooth easily acceessible.

Video editting is used quite a bit by mom and pop. They go to a wedding, or film their kids first birthday. They are most likely going to wnat to do something with it.

Unfortunetaely, just taking your examples, you are not most users in my opinion. Just by your seemingly minimalist wants, makes me think you are a "power user".

As long as there are not 10 different applications for one task, I don't see how GNOME would be getting bloated by including applications that have tons of possibility to be useful.

EDIT: Agree with you 100% Eugenia. Unification/Integration is key, which is why I moved to OS X and a Powerbook.

Edited 2006-12-24 06:24

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RE[3]: What is this all about?
by raver31 on Sun 24th Dec 2006 10:49 in reply to "RE[2]: What is this all about?"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

No-one is saying bluetooth should not be available. They are saying it should not be installed by default.

How easy is it to click Gnomebluetooth in synaptic, then click apply ?

Using your logic, you want bluetooth enabled out of the box.
OK, and I want gkrellm, gps, gaim to be installed out of the box.

do you want them too ?
no...
then you would class that as bloat.

keep it basic and install the missing parts yourself

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

keep it basic and install the missing parts yourself

Yet one of the most heard complaints heard when talking about Windows is that it comes with little pre-installed...

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2. An act or instance of such falseness.

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RE[4]: What is this all about?
by D3M0N on Sun 24th Dec 2006 19:35 in reply to "RE[3]: What is this all about?"
D3M0N Member since:
2005-07-09

Why? XP has it, OS X has it. People moving from those OSes would be expecting it. Something as trivial as bluetooth *should* come with it.

People complain that Windows doesn't come with enough applications, yet it comes with every single example that was listed. It comes with a video editor (Windows Movie Maker), Windows Messenger, and bluetooth. How is that bloat? They're all usable features. Now, if there were 7 applications that did the same thing in a default gnome install and WEREN'T usable for a vast majority of users, THAT would be bloat. The thing is, you're not an average joe user.

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