Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Dec 2006 22:22 UTC
IBM IBM's Lotus Software division is taking a bigger bite of Apple's Mac OS X. The company on Dec. 28 formally rolled out the latest version of its Lotus messaging software package, dubbed Notes 7.0.2, which will include e-mail, calendar management tools and instant messaging that is specifically designed for Mac OS X users.
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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by elsewhere on Fri 29th Dec 2006 04:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
elsewhere
Member since:
2005-07-13

it's just so obvious when people talk about "email" that you don't understand lotus notes. I have 500 accounts. Never before used notes admin client. Have no problems so far. Notes/Domino is not a "mail" system. Is a colaboration application and development system.

Notes is a powerful collaborative-type application development, although it's big and bloated and showing it's age, I'm not sure if it isn't a bit archaic in a web-app driven world, though it was pretty ground-breaking at the time.

Aside from that, the majority of Lotus implementations are simply for email. We've been running Domino as our messaging platform for longer than any employee should possibly have to endure, and it is absolutely awful for email. I've suffered through client crashes since 4.x, though I'm not sure why the version numbers increment because each version looks and acts the same. The biggest single improvement I've found in all those years is that I no longer need to use that killnotes.exe app that a domino dev developed and posted to the lotus.net support site, the one that allowed you to kill still-running notes processes after a crash. Because up until recent versions you were forced to reboot every time notes crashed. Seriously, don't get me started on what an awful program Notes is for *users*.

Interestingly, my gf was using Notes 6.something for OSX on her powerbook for a while. It was equally awful to use and crashed even more frequently. They've since migrated to Exchange, but I do suspect that this announcement is good news for OSX users that are working within a Domino infrastructure. I assume this version is based on the eclipse application framework similar to the linux version, which I assume should bring much better stability and a nicer GUI to look at.

The kick in the @ss, for me anyways, is that our IT department migrated the handful of "collaborative" apps we were using on Lotus which mostly amounted to generic intranet type purposes. We've standardized on SharePoint for that, and now Lotus is strictly email and calendaring. *sigh*

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RE[3]: Fun while it lasted
by slater on Fri 29th Dec 2006 07:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Fun while it lasted"
slater Member since:
2006-12-29

The *ONLY* people that push/root for/actually *like* Lotus Notes are the developers that have sunk time and money into training courses to actually learn the damn thing, and consultants trying to make a fast buck.

I have yet to come across a user who says "Yeah, I really loooove Lotus Notes". Notes these days is mostly used ONLY for mail & calendar stuff, and those things it does laughably, horrendously bad. It makes you wonder what the UI designers are smoking. It may actually BE the be-all, end-all, all-singing all-dancing "collaborative enterprise-y development super-platform" that the devs (and consultants...) all praise it to be. Trouble is, there are smaller, easier-to-use apps out there that might only offer a fraction of what Notes does, but I'd rather use little apps that do ONE thing VERY well, than buy into the monstrosity that is Notes. Heck, I can't stand Microsoft stuff, but give me an Outlook/Exchange setup ANY day over the dead, tortured, rotting corpse that is Lotus Notes.

PS: Friend of mine mentioned it's a reason for him not to accept a job position if he sees the company is using Notes, regardless of how much money they're offering him.

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RE[4]: Fun while it lasted
by Rasmus on Fri 29th Dec 2006 09:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Fun while it lasted"
Rasmus Member since:
2005-11-12

100% AGREE. IBM as usual is hopping on a train they see moving. Apple is coming to the corporate desktop and IBM would rather pile on rather than start something themselves. One day IBM will wake up and realize that they cannot keep selling expensive applications running on free software. I predict IBM will actually start to fall apart before 2010.

R/

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RE[4]: Fun while it lasted
by Clinton on Fri 29th Dec 2006 10:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Fun while it lasted"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

I completely agree. I left my last job for a couple of reasons, but the biggest one was that the company ate, breathed, and had a general love affair with Notes.

I hate Lotus Notes! I hate programming for it and I hate using it. The interfaces for it (programming and user) are awful on every level. There is nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.

I'm sure IBM does some things really well. Notes is not one of those things.

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