Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Dec 2006 22:22 UTC
IBM IBM's Lotus Software division is taking a bigger bite of Apple's Mac OS X. The company on Dec. 28 formally rolled out the latest version of its Lotus messaging software package, dubbed Notes 7.0.2, which will include e-mail, calendar management tools and instant messaging that is specifically designed for Mac OS X users.
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RE[3]: Fun while it lasted
by slater on Fri 29th Dec 2006 07:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Fun while it lasted"
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The *ONLY* people that push/root for/actually *like* Lotus Notes are the developers that have sunk time and money into training courses to actually learn the damn thing, and consultants trying to make a fast buck.

I have yet to come across a user who says "Yeah, I really loooove Lotus Notes". Notes these days is mostly used ONLY for mail & calendar stuff, and those things it does laughably, horrendously bad. It makes you wonder what the UI designers are smoking. It may actually BE the be-all, end-all, all-singing all-dancing "collaborative enterprise-y development super-platform" that the devs (and consultants...) all praise it to be. Trouble is, there are smaller, easier-to-use apps out there that might only offer a fraction of what Notes does, but I'd rather use little apps that do ONE thing VERY well, than buy into the monstrosity that is Notes. Heck, I can't stand Microsoft stuff, but give me an Outlook/Exchange setup ANY day over the dead, tortured, rotting corpse that is Lotus Notes.

PS: Friend of mine mentioned it's a reason for him not to accept a job position if he sees the company is using Notes, regardless of how much money they're offering him.

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RE[4]: Fun while it lasted
by Rasmus on Fri 29th Dec 2006 09:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Fun while it lasted"
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100% AGREE. IBM as usual is hopping on a train they see moving. Apple is coming to the corporate desktop and IBM would rather pile on rather than start something themselves. One day IBM will wake up and realize that they cannot keep selling expensive applications running on free software. I predict IBM will actually start to fall apart before 2010.


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RE[4]: Fun while it lasted
by Clinton on Fri 29th Dec 2006 10:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Fun while it lasted"
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I completely agree. I left my last job for a couple of reasons, but the biggest one was that the company ate, breathed, and had a general love affair with Notes.

I hate Lotus Notes! I hate programming for it and I hate using it. The interfaces for it (programming and user) are awful on every level. There is nothing redeeming about it whatsoever.

I'm sure IBM does some things really well. Notes is not one of those things.

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RE[5]: Fun while it lasted
by joeprusa on Fri 29th Dec 2006 12:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Fun while it lasted"
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Oh boy! The same old garbage! We use Notes/Domino and not just for email. And the thing is a breeze to install and administer. I have two Domino servers running on Linux and they work great. If you happen to love Outlook you can use it with Domino for email etc, just fine.
Yes, I agree that the underlying structure (API) etc. is a bit complicated with formula, Lotuscript, Java and Javascript, but hey - you get full backward compatibility back to V3, at least.
As for the crashes - they did happen in V4, less in V5 and now in V7 they are almost nonexistent.
The great thing about Domino is that you can do almost anything with it.
Plus it has a Linux client, though not really production quality ATM - see my blog:
And the new client will be based on Eclipse and will have support for Opendocument built-in.

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