Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Jan 2007 22:30 UTC
SkyOS Hell was already frozen anyway, but apparantly, the SkyOS team is trying to bring hell's temperature to absolute zero, since they are saying 2007 might see a release of SkyOS 5. "After what seems about 30 years worth of work (I'm sure even more to Robert), SkyOS will finally be released to the public. Lots of details are still being worked out on this one (as well as the obvious issues still present in the system), but we're really shooting to make it happen."
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

He does not promise release this year

A release date is ALWAYS a prediction, an aim; not something set in stone. We might as well change ANY article in which a release date is mentioned into "hopes for". What I see, is a team member saying there's a 70% chance SkyOS 5 will be released in 2007. That's well above 50%, and hence the word "promise" (I actually thought this over before I published this) makes perfect sense.

nor does he really have the authority to do so

That's not my problem. He is a longtime member of the SkyOS team, and hence his words hold value. If his words are meaningless (which is what you're implying here) then do not post them on the front page of the SkyOS website.

God, Alex, you're really looking for things to attack me with, don't you?

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Lakedaemon Member since:
2005-08-07

>A release date is ALWAYS a prediction

Well... I see your point

>What I see, is a team member saying there's a 70% chance >SkyOS 5 will be released in 2007. That's well above 50%, >and hence the word "promise"

Yet to promise is much stronger than to predict. And your changed words could harm Kelly in the future.

Say, if Skyos 5 isn't released in 2007,
with the "promise" word, Kelly will be branded a liar, someone who doesn't uphold his words.

with the "predict" word, Kelly should be safe though...


I'm pretty sure that you thought a lot about it, but please, pretty please don't change words/add another meaning to what other says...

If you still insist on using the "promise" word...
well, why don't you say instead
"I, Thom holwerda, promise that the SkyOS Team will release SkyOS 5 in 2007..."

I mean...you wouldn't have written that if you didn't believe that, would you ?

And, that way...it solves the problem :
YOU take the responsability if the "prediction that turned into a promise" isn't upheld, not Kelly ;)

^_^

Edited..
oups...my bad.... the title has been changed to "they say that it might be released" which is fine by me...^_^
Please accept my humble excuses

Edited 2007-01-02 18:18

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dostrowski Member since:
2006-11-10

The title of the article you linked to is "Future Predictions" and you turned it into "Promises 2007 Release" which is TOTALLY different. Alex is just pointing out the truth, which is that the headline was changed in a dramatic way. The purpose of that change is, of course, unknown to us, but it's reasonable to assume it was to make a "better" attention grabbing title regardless of the consequences.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

No, it was because the word "promise" does NOT, I repeat, does NOT constitute a 100% certainty, as some here believe. A promise to do xyz means that you will do everything possible (in Kelly's words: "...but we're really shooting to make it happen") to accomplish xyz-- not that it actually WILL get done without a doubt.

Were that to be the case, the headline would have been: "SkyOS 5 To Be Released in 2007". Instead, I opted for a formulation expressing less certainty, namely, the use of the verb "to promise", which in a case of a 70% certainty makes perfect sense.

promise n.
1.
a. A declaration assuring that one will or will not do something; a vow.
b. Something promised.
2. Indication of something favorable to come; expectation: a promise of spring in the air.
3. Indication of future excellence or success: a player of great promise.

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Kelly Rush Member since:
2005-06-30

I PROMISE NOTHING!!

=D

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Alex Forster Member since:
2005-08-12

A release date is ALWAYS a prediction, an aim;.....That's well above 50%, and hence the word "promise" (I actually thought this over before I published this) makes perfect sense.

"You said it has a 70% 5-year survival rate! You promised me she'd live!"

You're unbelievable.

God, Alex, you're really looking for things to attack me with, [aren't] you?

No! I'm not! I read the title and thought "holy shit! what did they do now?" The last thing I expected the news post to be about was that predictions blog, and frankly it pissed me off because I fell for your "play everything up" style.

Edited 2007-01-02 20:20

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"You said it has a 70% 5-year survival rate! You promised me she'd live!"

The fact you come up with a comparison to somebody/something dying or not is kind of... Weird. We're talking software here, I have limited space to make a headline, and I write headlines in the blink of an eye.

Do you really think that an OS used by 3 men and a cow is usable as a sensationalist item? Get over yourself, Alex, you're really starting to work on my nerves here. I showed you the dictionary entry for "promise" which CLEARLY shows that the word was a GOOD fit for this headline. The issue is settled, get over it.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"A release date is ALWAYS a prediction"

A prediction is however not a promise. That's why they are, you know, different words with different meanings.

"That's well above 50%, and hence the word "promise" (I actually thought this over before I published this) makes perfect sense."

Uh no. A promise is a certainty, ie 100%, not a 50% chance.

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