Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 13th Jan 2007 00:08 UTC, submitted by sogabe
BeOS & Derivatives As announced on the Haiku website and reported by IsComputerOn.com, Eric Petit has announced the development of a VMWare graphics driver for Haiku. Based on Be's driver sample code and code inspired by the X.org driver, Eric's driver so far implements RECT_BLIT and cursor functions (the latter are disabled as they are still buggy). The driver is already working as can be confirmed from this screenshot. On his initial post to the Haiku mailing list, Eric is asking for feedback, and has made the sources available in this tarball for those brave souls who would like to test the drivers.
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RE: Syllable advantage
by Vanders on Sat 13th Jan 2007 12:57 UTC in reply to "Syllable advantage"
Vanders
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2005-07-06

Syllable has bugs. So does Haiku. Haiku has more developers, so I'd expect to see them fix more bugs quicker than Syllable. Let's also not forget that Haiku can draw on existing, debugged, working code that Be released. On Syllable we're having to write our own desktop and file manager.

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RE[2]: Syllable advantage
by Beta on Sat 13th Jan 2007 23:27 in reply to "RE: Syllable advantage"
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2005-07-06

What's Open Source for if you can't borrow from friends?

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RE[2]: Syllable advantage
by sogabe on Sun 14th Jan 2007 02:16 in reply to "RE: Syllable advantage"
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2006-04-27

Vanders,

Did you ever consider using Open Tracker for Syllable?

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RE[3]: Syllable advantage
by Vanders on Sun 14th Jan 2007 11:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Syllable advantage"
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2005-07-06

Yes, briefly. Syllable isn't trying to re-create BeOS and OpenTracker obviously depends on a lot of BeOS functionality, so we would have either had to ensure Syllable provided that functionality in the same way BeOS did or re-write large parts of OpenTracker to fit Syllable. Neither of which were really worth it.

Our Desktop & Dock are adequate for what is an Alpha version. They'll be improved before Syllable 1.0

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RE[2]: Syllable advantage
by arielb on Sun 14th Jan 2007 19:10 in reply to "RE: Syllable advantage"
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2006-11-15

I think the biggest advantage Haiku has over syllable is that their developers know the code that makes the OS because they had to make it themselves. Syllable got the OS from Kurt, who now longer seems to work on it.

The same is true for Zeta. They inherited code from BeOS and are just tinkering. If palmsource opened the source, that would have made things easier for haiku at first but then you wouldn't have a team that knows how to put a whole OS together. So I'm glad palmsource didn't open the source and I'm glad they didn't wait for a finished kernel either even though it meant more work. On the other hand, they still have a foundation.

It's sort of how linux started. linus used the closed source minix as a foundation and made linux his own way so he is an expert. Then he was able to get the existing minix community on board. Community is also important for an OS.

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RE[3]: Syllable advantage
by Vanders on Sun 14th Jan 2007 19:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Syllable advantage"
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2005-07-06

You'd be surprised at how much of the codebase has been either written new, rewritten or changed from the original AtheOS code, so it's not really a case of familiarity. I'm pretty sure that after five years, anyone can be pretty familiar with any codebase. Our biggest problem is manpower; Arno & myself have to know almost the entire codebase, from top to bottom. That's a pretty tall order, I think you'll agree.

It's sort of how linux started. linus used the closed source minix as a foundation and made linux his own way so he is an expert.

You have the details wrong. Minix wasn't and is not closed source. Linus only used Minix as an early development platform.

Community is also important for an OS.

This however, is true, and probably explains why Haiku has more developers and more people interested in it. Haiku started with a ready-made community of BeOS users to build from. Syllable started with the much smaller AtheOS community.

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