Linked by Thomas Leonard on Tue 16th Jan 2007 00:32 UTC
General Development In the Free and Open Source communities we are proud of our 'bazaar' model, where anyone can join in by setting up a project and publishing their programs. Users are free to pick and choose whatever software they want... provided they're happy to compile from source, resolve dependencies manually and give up automatic security and feature updates. In this essay, I introduce 'decentralised' installation systems, such as Autopackage and Zero Install, which aim to provide these missing features.
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RE[4]: B.A.D idea
by raynevandunem on Tue 16th Jan 2007 06:33 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: B.A.D idea"
raynevandunem
Member since:
2006-11-24

Yeah, but can you install that app from the developer's site with a GUI front-end if you wanted to?

Anybody with command-line prowess can pick either solution if they wanted to, while those who don't, but still want the latest and greatest just as much as the next person, will only have one solution available to them.

And unfortunately, that's the majority of the folks who use desktop distros such as Ubuntu....or at least the target audience that those distros are gunning for.

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RE[5]: B.A.D idea
by archiesteel on Tue 16th Jan 2007 07:02 in reply to "RE[4]: B.A.D idea"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Yeah, but can you install that app from the developer's site with a GUI front-end if you wanted to?

I'm not sure you read what I posted correctly. I said that developers can provide standalone GUI installers or use on of the other (GUI) methods that use statically-linked libraries. I was not talking about compiling the apps...

but still want the latest and greatest just as much as the next person

See, that's where you get it wrong. Ordinary users don't want the latest and greatest, they want apps that work well. Constantly getting the latest version is something that Windows geeks do (the same hold true ex-Windows geeks using Linux, such as me).

When you say that everyone wants to run the latest and greatest, I believe you are projecting your own preferences onto the average user, and that you are mistaken in doing so.

Mind you, as I said I think developers should release statically-linked GUI installers in addition to tarballs, and let the distro makers update their repositories in all due time.

Also, as I've pointed out many times over the past few days, the Ubuntu repos are *very* up-to-date. If one cannot wait a day or two for an app to be released, then perhaps one needs to get a life... :-)

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RE[6]: B.A.D idea
by John Nilsson on Tue 16th Jan 2007 12:01 in reply to "RE[5]: B.A.D idea"
John Nilsson Member since:
2005-07-06

Ubuntus repositorys may be great fo mainstream apps, but as soon as you approach the corners of the known space such as new apps, or apps with very specific target groups the qualitu of service quickly drops.

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RE[6]: B.A.D idea
by tom1 on Tue 16th Jan 2007 13:02 in reply to "RE[5]: B.A.D idea"
tom1 Member since:
2005-07-12

See, that's where you get it wrong. Ordinary users don't want the latest and greatest,

Not as a rule, no. But when they ask for help "Evolution crashes when I try to read my mail from {odd mail server}!" they get told "Try version X - it's fixed there".

Should the distribution package the new barely-tested version? No. Most users want the stable version. But the user experiencing the crashes wants the new version.

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RE[6]: B.A.D idea
by Lambda on Tue 16th Jan 2007 16:55 in reply to "RE[5]: B.A.D idea"
Lambda Member since:
2006-07-28

See, that's where you get it wrong. Ordinary users don't want the latest and greatest, they want apps that work well.

And see, that's where you get it wrong. The latest and greatest "developer release" tends to be better than the previous version. And the latest and greatest developer release tends to lag behind the repository version.

Hell, in Ubuntu you're in this bizarro world of various degrees of instability before a real release, and then nothing else besides security updates.

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