Linked by Thomas Leonard on Tue 16th Jan 2007 00:32 UTC
General Development In the Free and Open Source communities we are proud of our 'bazaar' model, where anyone can join in by setting up a project and publishing their programs. Users are free to pick and choose whatever software they want... provided they're happy to compile from source, resolve dependencies manually and give up automatic security and feature updates. In this essay, I introduce 'decentralised' installation systems, such as Autopackage and Zero Install, which aim to provide these missing features.
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RE[6]: B.A.D idea
by Lambda on Tue 16th Jan 2007 16:55 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: B.A.D idea"
Lambda
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2006-07-28

See, that's where you get it wrong. Ordinary users don't want the latest and greatest, they want apps that work well.

And see, that's where you get it wrong. The latest and greatest "developer release" tends to be better than the previous version. And the latest and greatest developer release tends to lag behind the repository version.

Hell, in Ubuntu you're in this bizarro world of various degrees of instability before a real release, and then nothing else besides security updates.

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RE[7]: B.A.D idea
by archiesteel on Tue 16th Jan 2007 19:59 in reply to "RE[6]: B.A.D idea"
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2005-07-02

And see, that's where you get it wrong. The latest and greatest "developer release" tends to be better than the previous version.

Yes, but often (in the Linux world) those "latest and greatest" are beta versions, which may introduce breakage, especially if they depend on lots of other packages.

And the latest and greatest developer release tends to lag behind the repository version.

I think you probably meant the opposite...

Again, the amount of lag varies. For me (someone who likes to try out new versions), I find that with Ubuntu the delays are acceptable.

Hell, in Ubuntu you're in this bizarro world of various degrees of instability before a real release, and then nothing else besides security updates.

Not so. Just add the "Backports" repository to Synaptic, and you'll get newer versions of apps for your stable distro.

And there are not "various degrees of instability". There is only the current release and the next (unstable) release. I think you're confusing Ubuntu with Debian here...

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RE[8]: B.A.D idea
by Lambda on Wed 17th Jan 2007 08:13 in reply to "RE[7]: B.A.D idea"
Lambda Member since:
2006-07-28

Yes, but often (in the Linux world) those "latest and greatest" are beta versions, which may introduce breakage, especially if they depend on lots of other packages.

That's a problem with package management, not any arbitrary hand-waving about what is a beta version, which typically is better than a previous stable version.

I think you probably meant the opposite...

Yes I did ;)


Not so. Just add the "Backports" repository to Synaptic, and you'll get newer versions of apps for your stable distro.


If it's been backported, which is a big if.

And there are not "various degrees of instability". There is only the current release and the next (unstable) release. I think you're confusing Ubuntu with Debian here...

Of course there's various degrees of instability. If you jump on the next pre-release the day after an official release then it's going to be a helluva lot more unstable than a pre-release the day before it becomes a release.

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