Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Jan 2007 16:33 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Windows With the imminent release of Windows Vista to consumers this month, Linus Torvalds, the father of Linux, has claimed Microsoft's latest desktop effort is over-hyped and not a revolutionary advancement. "I don't actually think that something like Vista will change how people work that much," Torvalds told Computerworld. "I think it, to some degree, has been over-hyped as being something completely new and I don't actually think it is."
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Wish more people were like Linus
by CrazyDude0 on Fri 19th Jan 2007 17:14 UTC
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2005-07-10

Linus is mostly the level headed guy who talks sense. Even what he said about Vista is quite right. He doesn't talk bullshit like many other OSS zealots do like Vista sucks or poor designed OS etc.

If more OSS people were like Linus, i am sure OSS users would have felt better. The OSS zealots who do constant rant against windows and try to prove everyone who like windows wrong are the biggest damage to OSS. Wish those zealots never existed.

In fact it feels sometime that Linus admire Windows OS for what they have provided and knows it is important to have those things in Linux like plugging in a camera and it works. Windowss got that right quite before Linux.

I know Vista is over hyped but i still think Vista is a nice OS, it's install is big but with 1GB RAM it performs routine tasks way better than XP.

The looks are nice, underlying technologies got a overhaul like netwokring with NDIS 6, display drivers with XDDM, printing etc and on top the nicer and more consistent UI.

The only OS that can stand to Vista and mind it (stand to not win against) is OSX. Linux on desktop is ehhh noooooo comparison with consistent and integrated experience of Windows and OSX

Edited 2007-01-19 17:17

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zetsurin Member since:
2006-06-13

Umm, people who modded this guy down need to go back to Digg. Did you read the mod options presented to you on OSNEWS when you were so trigger happy with the minus sign?

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grable Member since:
2006-11-24

>> Wish those zealots never existed.

If you had your wish, there would probably be no linux or OSS to speak of. Atleast in the state it is today.
(if you are to believe RMS that is, and i partly do)

You can scream for what you want, let them scream for freedom if they so please.

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rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

I use OS X regularly (I have a MacBook), and I would not say it is more consistent than GNOME. GNOME is the most consistent desktop this side of classic MacOS, period.

That said, OS X is a prettier environment. Vista is certainly flashier than GNOME, but it still has the essential Windows incoherence that keeps me from saying it's good looking. And Vista's mechanics are just bad, bad, bad. What, praytell, is the logic behind the toolbar/menubar placement in Vista? And why does every Vista app seem to handle this crucial UI element differently?

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b3timmons Member since:
2006-08-26

In particular, I wish more people would think for themselves. You use a tiny article with a few conservative statements from Torvalds to help you generalize about how he is the model for people to follow. How convenient is his moderate tone to prop up your own positive feelings about Vista. However, Linus has also said:

"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.

Linus has now worked for a few years for OSDL which is the corporate side of GNU/Linux, so he has had to moderate his tone. To some people, moderation equals correctness. Those people need to introduce themselves to logic and evidence.

Is Linus the voice of reason? All I know is that he is human and makes mistakes (sometimes embarrassing ones such as the Bitkeeper debacle), which you would acknowledge if you were trying to hold him up as everyone's model.

However, the biggest problem in your post is the implicit assumption that Torvalds's POV, "open source", matters more than the "free software" POV. I.e., that technical merit trumps freedom and ethics. His POV constrains his comments, and you will need to argue why his POV is superior to the others.

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twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.

"Evil" is certainly an overused word, but it's not like MS make "really crappy operating systems"or change the .doc standard every few years out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it to promote the "goodness"of their wallets.

Linus has now worked for a few years for OSDL which is the corporate side of GNU/Linux, so he has had to moderate his tone.

I don't see that; I think he's always been one of those people who can make a point subtly, and perhaps more effectively for that reason.

Is Linus the voice of reason? All I know is that he is human and makes mistakes (sometimes embarrassing ones such as the Bitkeeper debacle), which you would acknowledge if you were trying to hold him up as everyone's model.

People, (especially Linus-like and hackerish people) like him exactly because of that. It's a nice change from the hero-worship Gates and Jobs and their companies receive and promote; to hear either of them you'd think they were incapable of mistakes. Gates was even awarded an honorary British knighthood for "services to computing" (or, to be more accurate, "sending the computing industry back into the Stone Age"), for heaven's sake. He may be incapable of business mistakes, but judging from DOS and Windows, if he programs then he's certainly not incapable of programming mistakes.

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