Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Jan 2007 12:34 UTC, submitted by editingwhiz
Linspire "Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony says his company is opening up its CNR software download and management service to other Linux distributions because "Linux really needs an easier way to find and install software, regardless of which flavor of Linux you're using." According to Carmony, Linspire has been working on this project more more than a year. To find out more about how this bold new program is going to work - and how it benefits everyone involved - Desktoplinux.com conducted the following short Q&A with Carmony via email."
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OSGuy
Member since:
2006-01-01

My Opinion? Absolutely. This is a major leap ahead for Linux and the community should be very proud and glad. It removes one of the biggest obsticles between Linux and the desktop. The best thing about CNR is that it has a commercial backing and that is a big plus.

I am not sure however which is a better solution: Klik or CNR? There is also Autopacakage which doesn't seem to be too popular.

Edited 2007-01-25 12:51

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

My opinion? Absolutely not. While I'm not one of those fundamentalists who condemns others for installing a closed source NVidia driver, I do draw the line at basing our *infrastructure* on closed source software. Carmony and Co. can and will look out for their own interests.

Linspire will always be "more equal" than the others.

Kevin claims that they are choosing the distros they will support based upon the user base. Now, I'm as critical of presenting distrowatch stats as anyone. But I will point out that they picked numbers 1,2,3,7,16, and 44 as their targets for ongoing support.

Freespire and Linspire (#'s 16 and 44) are *already* being treated as more equal than the others... right from the get go.

Proprietary software is OK by me because I think that we need to draw from all the resources we can. After all, the other side does.

But it is sheer suicide to base our own infrastructure on the closed source CNR server.

And do please note this direct quote from Mr. Carmony:

"We can't have it 100 percent open on the server side, because of the commercial application sales, credit card transactions, etc., but the delivery of FOSS side is quite open and public."

Wow. Open Source is OK for home and hobby use, but for commercial use, doing important things like credit card transactions, it's obvious that closed source must be used. Do we really want this guy controlling our access to software?

Edited 2007-01-25 13:26

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rianquinn Member since:
2007-01-25

Linspire (being the first Linux Distro I ever used) is really onto something here. I currently use Ubuntu and although I know about a lot of Open Source software, it took me a long time to get to this point. I started by using CNR and I think its wonderful.

At minimum it gives everyone a central place to post comments and reviews about software. This helps the rest of use sort our the junk.

And I'm sorry, but your paranoid if you can't trust someone who doesn't open source there software completely. As I always say, if you don't like it don't use it and keep quite. I imagine many however will love this new piece of software and I look forward to using it.

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Terracotta Member since:
2005-08-15

You forget that by supporting debian they get all the other debian-compatible derived distros and by supporting Ubuntu they get Mepis (nr 4 on distrowatch, Mepis uses the Ubuntu repos) as well.

It's quite logical that they support freespire and linspire since that is their own distribution, making it first citisens is also logical since it's the prefered installation method for these two distros, while it's just an add-on for the others.
The good thing about CNR is that it is a perfect add-on for commercial software, one place to get the programs you need. Since the client is opensource, it might become integrated in for example add/remove programs from (k)(x)Ubuntu...

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dukeinlondon Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think these concerns are valid. What the community of distros should have done is come up with a common solution.

Now if this one gathers momentum, then the only thing that the FOSS community needs to do is implement the open API of the CNR servers to unlock the distribution of FOSS packages and benefit from the open source plugins. But why did they not do anything like that till now ?

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

But it is sheer suicide to base our own infrastructure on the closed source CNR server.

To be fair, this is neither supposed to be a replacement for current software management, nor is it intendent to become the base of the software distribution/installation infrastructure. CNR is an *alternative* to the distros' package managers, to be used alongside them. It only aims at helping newbies find and install software, but as far as I know it still uses the distro's repositories (or at least mirrors them) and installed programs are part of the apt/rpm databases.

So, this is just another example of choice within the FOSS world. I might not use it, but I wish them luck.

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Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

So who would you trust? Bombastic baffoon Balmer and Bill the racketeer Gates? Not me. Someone HAD to do this. No other company stepped up to make it easy for --anyone-- with almost any distro to easily find and download apps. I'm not talking geeks here. I'm talking about mom and pop and non techie brother and sister. Life is MUCH easier for them with something like CNR.

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ari-free Member since:
2007-01-22

I think you have a point. To users, CNR could be like the difference between linux with x windows and linux with just a terminal command prompt. Or linux with kde/gnome vs linux with just X. Why would they want the old linux experience?

I'm not surprised that people are finding loopholes in the linux/gpl equation

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happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01

Come on, what harm can this do? don't make a big fuss over nothing. Linux is barely surviving in the desktop market. if Carmony thinks CNR can make a difference and help linux succeed in the desktop, great, I applaud his ideas.

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