Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Feb 2007 18:59 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "Some bad blood between Linus Torvalds and GNOME developers is flaring up again. Previously, Torvalds has said that Linux users should switch to KDE instead of GNOME because of the GNOME team's 'users are idiots' mentality. Now he has 'put his money where his mouth is' by submitting patches to GNOME in order to have it behave as he likes. This week, on the Linux Foundation's (formerly OSDL) Desktop Architects mailing list, the two sides are going mano a mano." Can I interest you in a pair of these and these?
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RE[2]: Linus != Usabilty Expert
by gmlongo on Sun 18th Feb 2007 18:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Linus != Usabilty Expert"
gmlongo
Member since:
2005-07-07

First of all, you have no idea what my background is, so you are the one who is "simply running your mouth". So by your logic, in order to know who is (or isn't) a doctor, I need to be one myself? Sure, makes a lot of sense. BTW, I did as you suggested and looked in the mirror and asked "What do I really know about usability?", and it responded "more than Snifflez".

Your comment is just ignorant and for some reason you feel the need to attack me because you do not agree with me. I never said that I am a usability expert, but I am not foolish enough to think that there is no such thing. I come from many years of user interface coding/design and I understand the need for usability guidelines and research. Additional features need to be justified as valuable to the system as a whole, not to some small subset of "power users".

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Snifflez Member since:
2005-11-15

"First of all, you have no idea what my background is, so you are the one who is 'simply running your mouth'. So by your logic, in order to know who is (or isn't) a doctor, I need to be one myself? Sure, makes a lot of sense."

Spare me your lame attempts at establishing a valid analogy; I can already see that this simple task is outside the scope of your mental abilities. Let's go back to my initial question: in this specific case, what gives _you_ the right to decide whether Linus is a usability expert or not? What facts and arguments have you used to arrive at such conclusion?

Now, judging from your comment about Linus, you seem to be implying that he's wrong in his criticism of GNOME's usability. Particularly, your comment seems to be making a strong indication that you don't believe that configurable left-, right- and double-clicking on a title bar is a good, _usable_ feature. Thus, are you a usability expert competent enough to have an informed opinion about that? Furthermore, if you're not a usability expert, aren't you simply, to use your own words, attacking Linus (not even directly) because you disagree with him?

"Additional features need to be justified as valuable to the system as a whole, not to some small subset of 'power users'."

Ah, finally. An attempt on your part to actually make something resembling a valid argument. So, what makes you think that Linus' patches add functionality that only power users would be interested in? How do you know that? You say that you have years of experience in UI design -- have you designed and|or coded desktop environments?

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gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

Settle down Snifflez. Stop with the crying. God forbid somebody criticize your idol Linus. We all know that he can never do anything wrong, so any criticism must be unwarranted.

Why are you ignoring my doctor analogy? The analogy is completely valid and your immature attacks on my mental abilities are really just exposing your own shortcomings. You do not need to be a UI expert in order to know if somebody has sufficient background/training to be one. Thinking otherwise is just ridiculous. Being a kernel engineer, does not count. Not to mention that he is a kernel engineer on a system that is notoriously known for it's complexity as a desktop system.

I never said that Linus's patch didn't warrant consideration. I just said that it needed to be reviewed and determined if it benefited the system as a whole. If the GNOME team determines that they do not wish to include it, then that is there choice. Linus is a representative of the Linux community and by mocking the GNOME team, he is not only being unprofessional, but extremely petty.

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