"Some bad blood between Linus Torvalds and GNOME developers is flaring up again. Previously, Torvalds has said that Linux users should switch to KDE instead of GNOME because of the GNOME team's 'users are idiots' mentality. Now he has 'put his money where his mouth is' by submitting patches to GNOME in order to have it behave as he likes. This week, on the Linux Foundation's (formerly OSDL) Desktop Architects mailing list, the two sides are going mano a mano." Can I interest you in a pair of these and these?
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Member since:2007-02-19
First, please don't insult me. I have absolutely nothing to do with sbenitezb, and I am no more a troll for disliking the GTK+ file picker than you are for disliking the Qt file dialog. I even admitted that I should try the new one.
With that out of the way, I will definately say that the GNOME 2.16 (or GTK+ 2.18?) file picker looks much improved from the picture. I daresay that the GNOME and KDE file dialogs look like they're growing closer to each other. The version in GNOME 2.14 looks like this: http://i13.tinypic.com/333bjo7.png
Hopefully once Etch is released, Sid will get the new GNOME and I'll get the improved file picker.
Edited 2007-02-20 03:25
Member since:2005-10-02
Member since:2005-10-02
Hmm.. I think the button to the left of /usr does something like giving you access to a address-bar of some sort.
I could be wrong though. I don't know which GTK+ version Sid is using but it looks rather old, probably GTK+-2.6 (which probably fits with Gnome 2.14). I'm using GTK+-2.10 and since GTK+ is more important here than the Gnome version this might be the explanation (npt that I have any idea what the devs are up to)?
Member since:2005-07-07
> How should I know there's a difference between the
> QT File Dialogue and the KDE File dialogue?
Simple. By trying KDE before talking about it?
Even if you may not have learned that there are two you would at least have gotten a different impression.
> Why is there even 2 different Open File dialogues?
> That's stupid.
No it's not stupid.
Qt != KDE, Qt is developed by different people with a different focus.
My guess:
Qt provides a cross-platform framework for application development, also for light-weight stand-alone apps. They need to keep the library itself light-weight.
KDE builds on that but adds features like IOSlaves and other niceties I wouldn't want to miss. The file dialog can make use of what the desktop provides (e.g. the preview plugins, the IOSlave integration) which Trolltech's version cannot do without reimplementing large parts of KDE inside Qt, in a platform-independent manner.
Member since:2005-10-02
I have, but obviously I haven't had my attention on the dual Open File dialogues which is a silly solution since it increases memory usage which is bad.
It is very silly and very bad to have two open file dialogues.
And cross platform has nothing to do with this. That's the silliest argument since NotParker.
Keeping the library light-weight has nothing to do with having two different dialogues. It would be better also for light weight applications just to have one dialogue and make that right from the beginning.
Qt != KDE, Qt is developed by different people with a different focus.
Yes, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand does. That explains the bloated uglified mess KDE is.
Member since:
2005-10-02
Be nice, mofo!
I've been talking nice so far, but you don't know what I think or don't think.
Gnome does not have an Open File dialogue. There is no such thing. There is just the GTK+ Open File dialogue and it's identical in Windows and in Gnome. How should I know there's a difference between the QT File Dialogue and the KDE File dialogue? Why is there even 2 different Open File dialogues? That's stupid.
Besides that you know nothing at all about Open File dialogues in Gnome.
This is how it looks like in Gnome 2.16 - and I cannot recall it having changed particularly since GTK+-2.4 - though it is possible, that the dropdown-suggestion-thingy known from Firefox didn't enter until Gnome-2.16.
The only trolls are those claiming the GTK+ Open File Dialogue sucks and the KDE file dialogue rulezzzz!! You KDE trolls started this tread with incorrect and fuzzy statements.
GTK+ Open File dialogue in Gnome 2.16 -> http://i19.tinypic.com/352k6lf.png
The KDE Open File dialogue has nothing that the GTK+ File Dialogue doesn't have - except for previewing videos. And that's hardly enough to make it superior. Apart from that behaviour is completely identical.