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That's right. Such comments only devide the Unix community even more, which is the opposite of what should happen. Why don't we see MPlayer vs. Amarok flamewars or OpenOffice vs. KOffice then? This is the opposite of what should happen. Open-source has the word "open", like in "Open-minded". I hope its leaders don't forget about the word "open". I'm thinking about Linus and Stallman.

Such comments only devide the Unix community even more, which is the opposite of what should happen.

I agree. We should refrain from expressing unpopular opinions and just settle on what's right for most people. This way some people get what they want, and the other's are open-minded. Win-win. This is the most open-minded comment I've read all month, for example. Thanks for being a team player.

I'm thinking about Linus and Stallman.

They're in my thoughts and prayers as well. Things were going so great while they were keeping their bright ideas to themselves. When will people learn that leading is about sticking to the story or keeping your mouth shut?

I've witnessed mplayer V xine flamewars before.

I've seen Rhythmbox V Amarok flamewars, but that's just an extension of the Gnome KDE war.

And I believe KOffice isn't popular enough (sorry guys) to have a flame war with Open Office. Not to mention, the Open Office crowd seems more interested in Windows users...
I have witnessed Open Office V latex flamewars though.


I hold that the unique ability of the human spirit is to argue about crap and get uselessly offended when others disagree.

Exactly the same with me, I have tried KDE (QT-software, that is) several times and there's just something that annoys me and so I always switch back to Gnome and GTK.

I've been using Gnome since the 1.0 release, though. I always fancied GTK to be more attractive to eyes than QT.

I think we shouldn't call them flamewars , sometimes people get very heated about it, but as mentioned in the article the same points are raised over and over again. I am a gnome user. I have been there a long time,but KDE , even though the changes are less visible ( they have different release and announcment schedule - i think gnome's is saner :-) ), you get the feeling that major changes to the way the system works are underway to address the issues that keep on coming up. I don't get that feeling with the gnome project.

I aggree working on projects like those mentioned is not easy , because of their openess it is difficult to please everyone, and I applaud the devs of both project over and over again ,to keep up the good work ( -ing? ) .

Back to the point , before I veer of. I think this is healthy discussion and Linus's voice ( his own very "biased" opinion ) adds weight to the importance of the issues raised rather than issue of whether the user or the devs are wrong. comprendez ?

I have the exact same feeling with Qt/KDE. KDE also has too many options and setting. I really get lost in all of them. It's hard to find the right setting I am looking for.
There shouldn't be any reason for Gnome to be bashed like that, there is room enough for everyone.
Linus should be a advocate for freedom an diversity and stay friends with Gnome.

P.S. I don't think I am more stupid since I have been using Gnome as Linus suggests.

Edited 2007-02-20 14:07

This isn't about flamewars or getting along. Quite simply, Linux is a passion-fueled culture, perhaps unlike any other in the industry. This stems from the inherent freedoms afforded by the platform.

Look, passion is good. And heated arguments are good. Whenever you have a situation where everyone agrees, then you know you are in trouble. There is a certain amount of healthy dysfunction in any relationship. And I love to see the passion-fueled arguments that ensue.

The fruits of these sometimes derisive squabbles will reveal themselves in ways that would not otherwise be achieved in a "civilized" manner.

Yes, friends and collegues, allow me to wax poetic with the voice of reason. And with that said, GO KDE 4! j/k HAHA

RGCook,

I disagree. I don't think that heated arguments are good. Actually, I do think that they might be good on those rare occasions in which the participants make up again and realize that there are ideological ties that bind more strongly than the trivial bits that they were previously arguing about.

But some rifts never close.

We, as human beings, are odd. Once we immerse ourselves into a community where people think as we do... we start looking for places to disagree, just to keep things interesting. Don't deny it! It is true!

In the Original Star Trek Episode "The City On the Edge of Forever" written by Harlan Ellison, the author writes, and Kirk says, that a poet born on a planet circling a far away star will write that the most important words ever uttered are "Let Me Help", inching out "I Love You" for the top spot.

I have to wonder, though, if "I Was Wrong" should not take top honors.

...Linux is a passion-fueled culture...
I might even be so bold as to state that it is the IT (and then specifically the 'nerds'...) culture that is so passion-fueled...