Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 17:38 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Debian and its clones Last September, some of the Debian Linux distribution's leadership wanted to make sure that Etch, the next version of Debian, arrived on its December 4th due date. Almost two months later, though, according to the February 17th Release Critical Bug Report memo to the Debian Developers Announcement list, there are still 541 release critical bugs.
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RE[2]: Bad to linux and debian
by shapeshifter on Sat 24th Feb 2007 09:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad to linux and debian"
shapeshifter
Member since:
2006-09-19

If you want to have a stable distribution with a few more current packages, you can either use a backport (best approach), pin based on Debian unstable/testing (not my favourite), from compile your own version (the universal fallback).

Yes, it makes life harder on both the desktop and the server when installing on new hardware that's supported only in the latest kernels.
Even Etch wouldn't recognize sata hard disks and optical drives on newer motherboards late last year when I was trying to install it.
The *buntus had no problems since they used a newer kernel.
It's very hard to justify the extra time spent on kicking Debian into usable shape on new hardware when I can just pop in a *buntu disk and have a fully functional install half hour later.

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da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

Etch uses currently the 2.6.18 kernel (I believe it still had 2.6.17 late last year). Now, the product in the *buntu family that's comparable with Debian Etch (a stable Debian release) would be Ubuntu Dapper Drake (with "Long Term Support"), which uses the 2.6.15 kernel. So, Ubuntu's LTS release doesn't really support your latest hardware any better than Debian Etch.

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shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

Etch uses currently the 2.6.18 kernel (I believe it still had 2.6.17 late last year). Now, the product in the *buntu family that's comparable with Debian Etch (a stable Debian release) would be Ubuntu Dapper Drake (with "Long Term Support"), which uses the 2.6.15 kernel. So, Ubuntu's LTS release doesn't really support your latest hardware any better than Debian Etch.

Well, I was mainly talking about 6.10 (Edgy).
But interestingly, when trying Ubuntu Dapper on this same Asus P5B board that Etch wouldn't even touch, it recognized correctly the sata drives. So they must have used a patched or somehow different sata driver in Ubuntu.
I'm aware that there is a lot of info on how to get Debian installed on this same hardware.
But my point is that it's a lot of effort and requires a lot of Linux skill (major stumbling block for new Linux users) to accomplish as opposed to just running the install disk and be done in about half hour.

That's why I think it's important that Debian has more frequent releases or at least update the old ones with new kernels (probably not possible but can't see why not).
If one has to go through near nervous breakdown just to install Debian on a new computer then sooner or later one will look for an easier alternative.
And very few new computer users will be willing to spend a few weekends reading through the Debian docs just to get the thing installed.

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