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"and also give people what they want"
"Looking at the polls on the ubuntu forums, many people are happy with their GNOME."
Well what do you expect a poll of people already using Ubuntu would say? OPs point was that better KDE support might draw in more people, people who wouldn't be on Ubuntu's forum voting in the first place. Obviously Ubuntu is doing fine with Gnome, and I don't see anything terribly wrong with Kubuntu, I just found it amusing you cited a poll of the already converted 
No, he made it look like everyone wants KDE and noone likes GNOME.
Well what do you expect a poll of people already using Ubuntu would say?
The funny thing is that another poll asking what people where using before, about 50% were actually using a windows os before they made a switch. I doubt anyone of them knew the difference between KDE or GNOME. Still they are happy with their choice. 
*sigh* Time for some new FUD. Just a tip: The old "GNOME is for idiots" is becoming old too. At least be a bit more creative.
It ain't FUD, if you'd been reading the discussions of course. The whole 'Gnome is for idiots' thing came from the fact that Gnome simply doesn't expose the CUPS and PPD features in its print dialogues that many people, such as administrators, do actually need. That is still very much the case the last time I looked.
Do you have anything useful to add to this discussion in way of useful comment, or are you just shouting "FUD!" at every available opportunity?
Looking at the polls on the ubuntu forums, many people are happy with their GNOME.
Probably because they are people who liked Gnome anyway, before they even started using Ubuntu?
No need to give the expression like everyone is screaming for better KDE support.
It's not a question of people screaming for KDE support, it's very much a question of what is actually going to work - in the cold hard light of day. Hey, Canonical is the one saying they want to make a dent in Windows' world. It's not a time for emotions.
If Canonical actually wants to make a dent in the Windows world they need a desktop that is not taking features out, and actively discouraging new ones from being added, and they need a desktop with a technical and development base that gives them a chance of doing all that they want and need, along with third party developers they need to attract and nurture.
KDE has quite a bit of work ahead of it to really achieve this more fully, but they have the underpinnings which are vitally important. Gnome is so far away from this it isn't even funny, but hey, it 'Just Works', it's for human beings and it looks the part.
If Canonical actually wants to make a dent in the Windows world they need a desktop that is not taking features out, and actively discouraging new ones from being added [...]
Actually that's exactly what they do need. A desktop that is stable and instantly recognizable. A desktop that users can simply find their applications and get to work on. IMHO Gnome provides this to its users. The Administrative desktop can be whatever the administrator wants, but the user desktop must not change too much or it spooks them.
--bornagainpenguin
Probably because they are people who liked Gnome anyway, before they even started using Ubuntu?
This is not true at all. Every user I have introduced to gnome take an instant liking to it. This not true about KDE, either they complain about too many buttons or they ask why does it look like a souped up win95/98/me. I personally am a gnome user, I sued to be a kde user up until I started using Ubuntu and saw how aesthetically pleasing it was compared to kde's clutter. Not to say that I don't have high hopes for KDE4. I'm using the snapshot now and Dolphin is great so far, just a couple of things they still need to work on but it looking interesting in so far. The fact is that if you give the users something simple they will be attracted to it. Hiding complexity in simplicity is something that neither gnome or KDE has gotten right. I'm hoping KDE4 hits that sweet spot, where we can all benefit, new users and advanced users alike.
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It doesn't only allow to type the path as bpepple already stated. It even remembers if you had the urlbar shown or hidden before.
*sigh* Time for some new FUD. Just a tip: The old "GNOME is for idiots" is becoming old too. At least be a bit more creative.
and also give people what they want
Looking at the polls on the ubuntu forums, many people are happy with their GNOME. No need to give the expression like everyone is screaming for better KDE support.