Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:27 UTC
Java "Although the .NET vs. Java war is basically over for control of the Windows desktop, where .NET is sure to become the managed language of choice for new Windows desktop applications, there is a new battle brewing. That battle is for the Linux desktop. Now that Java has been open sourced under the GPL, even the most strict of the 'free software only' distributions can start bundling it and integrating it into their Linux distributions out of the box."
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Not a comendable analysis
by lazywally on Thu 8th Mar 2007 01:30 UTC
lazywally
Member since:
2005-07-06

With the open sourcing of Java under the GPL, Sun has removed that final barrier to entry, since all of the performance, or "it doesn't look native" arguments are no longer valid.

How does a switch to GPL invalidate performance issues?

And this "Mono lagging behind MS .NET" logic doesnt make sense to me either. Just write for Mono an be assured that your code runs on Mono and .NET.

Slightly biased . . .

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RE: Not a comendable analysis
by ma_d on Thu 8th Mar 2007 01:34 in reply to "Not a comendable analysis"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

He didn't say that. He said that it was solved and that licensing was the last barrier to entry, they're independent of each other.

Mono is going to lag behind MS .Net. I'll be surprised if they ever get to the point where they've implemented 99% of what MS has and the 1% they're missing isn't something crucial to a huge number of people.
Assuming Microsoft stays with .Net at the pace they have for the last 6 years.

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lazywally Member since:
2005-07-06

He didn't say that. He said that it was solved and that licensing was the last barrier to entry, they're independent of each other.

Thanks for clearing that.

Though I wonder if the performance issues are really invalid. Imagine a window manager, session manager, and all other components of the desktop written in Java. :-)

Mono is going to lag behind MS .Net. I'll be surprised if they ever get to the point where they've implemented 99% of what MS has and the 1% they're missing isn't something crucial to a huge number of people.
Assuming Microsoft stays with .Net at the pace they have for the last 6 years.


Mono is always going to lag behind .NET but thats not going to be a problem. Lets look at the situation now. Write code for .NET 1.1 and theres no need to care that MS .NET is at 3.0 and Mono is at 2.0.

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miguel Member since:
2005-07-27

Hello,

As it turns out, you do not need to implement 100% of Microsoft.NET to port a lot of applications. We found out with Moma (google our web site) we will be able in the next three months to bring 700 applications to Linux that have been reported to us through Moma (this is without making any changes to the apps).

From the remaining half of the applications (based on the sample of 1,700 or so results that have been submitted), its roughly 1/3rd split over less than 10 changes, between 10 and 40 changes, and more than 20 changes (by changes I mean, P/Invokes that will have to be redone).

So one sixth of the .NET applications today wont ever be ported, another sixth will require a strong commitment to port, another sixth trivial changes and the other half would port with trivial changes to Mono.

The numbers are estimates from memory from the results that I collected for my FOSDEM presentation.

Miguel.

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