Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:27 UTC
Java "Although the .NET vs. Java war is basically over for control of the Windows desktop, where .NET is sure to become the managed language of choice for new Windows desktop applications, there is a new battle brewing. That battle is for the Linux desktop. Now that Java has been open sourced under the GPL, even the most strict of the 'free software only' distributions can start bundling it and integrating it into their Linux distributions out of the box."
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RE[3]: Hmmm
by c816 on Thu 8th Mar 2007 09:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hmmm"
c816
Member since:
2007-03-01

Yes, I know about JIT, its nothing new - but Swing is still slow, still lacking snappiness and still overly complex to create applications with.

It sounds like kaiwai needs to upgrade his 486!

I have had no problems running swing on any recent hardware. It you are finding it slow then you either have an old machine without much RAM, an old JDK, or very inefficient display drivers.

If you "know" about JIT why do you still keep talking about "interpreted GUI"?

Try assigning some widgets to a form, double clicking, assigning code and compiling - you can't do that with Java; thats how bloody painful Java is in its current form. Little or none have been to make Java a RAD tool, its still overly complex and slow.

We've had that feature in Netbeans since version 5.0 (over a year ago). Perhaps if you weren't so obsessed with Eclipse...

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RE[4]: Hmmm
by kaiwai on Thu 8th Mar 2007 10:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Hmmm"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And like a large number of people on osnews.com, you never read the post or the follow up posts relating to what I write.

Here is a tip; read, think, think, think, and think again THEN think about what you're to write, write it, read it, then think think think, then post.

JIT still results in the delay between excution and the result - the result is a sluggish gui no matter how the problems are coded around.

As for "Netbeans since version 5.0" I doubt it, I've used 5.0 and its just as bad as previous versions; I can't stand Eclipse but atleast there is something being yielded out of it in the way of a decent collaboration tool vs. the out of date rubbish bundled with Solaris.

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RE[5]: Hmmm
by c816 on Thu 8th Mar 2007 10:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Hmmm"
c816 Member since:
2007-03-01

And here is a tip for kaiwai : Please engage brain before typing a reply.

JIT still results in the delay between excution and the result - the result is a sluggish gui no matter how the problems are coded around.

JIT occurs at startup, not everytime you click on a control. .NET, Mono, and Java all use JIT.

I doubt it, I've used 5.0 and its just as bad as previous versions
I find your claims hard to believe. Anyone who can use VB 6 can put together a GUI with netbeans 5.0.

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