Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 18:03 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
Benchmarks "We have compared the 32-bit and 64-bit performance of Ubuntu and started a performance comparison of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, but how does the performance of the upcoming Feisty Fawn release compare to that of Fedora 7? In this article we have enclosed benchmarks from Fedora Core 6, Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft, Fedora 7 Test 2, and Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Herd 5. In gaming and desktop benchmarks, which of these Linux distributions is faster?"
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RE[7]: Important metrics for me
by stare on Thu 8th Mar 2007 14:52 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Important metrics for me"
stare
Member since:
2005-07-06

By installing freeware (and hoping it doesn't contain spyware), or more-or-less official tools from microsoft, or specific driver options etcetera.

At least there are tools which implement funtionality I wasn't able to achieve in Linux at all. Like mouseImp, for example -- scrolling pages by moving mouse with the right mouse button pressed.

But actually, this is another thing I don't like about Windows - EVERY piece of hardware has it's own options and settings. Some can easilly do things, others have horrible dialogs. Some printers can print 2 to 8 pages on 1, others can't.

What you are saying seems like a KDE description for me :-) Really, I don't have any problem with hardware in Windows (man, at least there is decent GUI device manager, contrary to mess in Gnome/KDE)

Well, that won't help me. First because I don't want to spend hours looking for obscure software to fix BASIC functionallity in my OS

I don't spend hours looking for obscure software, why should you?

At least software management WORKS on linux

Personally I couldnt care less about software management on desktop. I already have established set of tools I work with.

I do remember the Windows 98 time with all these custom tools and all the time spend on managing them and the instability and performance problems they cause...

Windows 9x is a mess by itself, you shouldn't have used it in a first place.

Give linux a try

Well, my first Linux experience on the desktop was RH6 and since that I had been trying almost every major release. Not to say I use Linux and FreeBSD on my servers at work. So I'm not exactly a Linux newbie ;)

apart from the ocassional annoyances (mostly because microsoft spends a lot of time making interoperability a mess) you'll see it is a lot more mature compared to MS...

My experience is opposite. Until last 1-2 years Linux on desktop was horrid. Too slow, too many visual glitches, too many interface inconsistencies, after all just unstable. It gets significatly better, but even in current state it's barely usable -- still feels slower, still looks amateuristic. In addition there is lack of professional apps like non-linear video editors, image editing software, some other specific tools. And did I mention games?

Edited 2007-03-08 15:04

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superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

> What you are saying seems like a KDE description for me :-)
Hell, NO, every KDE application has the same print dialog, NO MATTER what printer you use. So they can always print to PDF etcetera. On windows - you can only hope the printer has a decent dialog, and every app has it's own (yes, you have several dialogs, in many cases giving overlapping functionality - like printing 2 pages on 1 - depending on the app and printer, you can do it in the app dialog, the printer dialog, both or none...)

Every KDE app has the same 'configure toolbars' window.

Every KDE app has the same 'configure shortcuts' window.

etcetera.

In windows, apps even have several totally different visual styles - compare office, msn, media player... each version looks different from the previous and the other software on the pc.

>Really, I don't have any problem with hardware in Windows (man, at least there is decent GUI device manager, contrary to mess in Gnome/KDE)
??? What do you mean? There are tools for pretty much all hardware, unlike windows, where you often first have to install it... I can configure my touchpad ALWAYS from the KDE control center (provided ksynaptics is installed). In windows, every laptop has it's own different tool, each providing other functionality.

> I don't spend hours looking for obscure software, why should you?
You know where to find it... I don't. In linux, start Synaptic and use search. On windows, you have to use google, which often takes a lot more time (not counting the fact you often find shareware, can't trust freeware due to virus/spyware stuff etcetera).

And I don't get the 'linux is slower' thing. Sure, windows redraws faster, and seems to start faster. But as soon as you do something, you have to wait until it is done. Try Outlook, open someone else's agenda. Until the server has send the info and the app is ready with it, you can't do anything - it just freezes. Kontact, on the other hand, does things like these in the background.

Try to open 10 word files by hitting enter when having them selected in explorer, compare that to KDE with Koffice or even openoffice... Your windows system won't be very usable...

I wouldn't say Linux is perfect, but windows desktop users (and you clearly haven't used KDE more than a few hours each time) don't see how windows is limiting them, used as they are to being limited.

Did you ever try to drag'n'drop a file to a input field in a webbrowser? Hell, no, drag'n'drop rarely works in windows. Of course it works in konqueror.

In konqi, you can drag'n'drop tabs. In firefox, you have to install another extension. dunno about IE 7, but I guess it doesn't work either.
typical: basic things *just work* in linux/KDE, while on windows, you have to find and download stuff to be able to do it (hence 99% of the ppl don't even bother trying).

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stare Member since:
2005-07-06

Hell, NO, every KDE application has the same print dialog, NO MATTER what printer you use. So they can always print to PDF etcetera. On windows - you can only hope the printer has a decent dialog, and every app has it's own (yes, you have several dialogs, in many cases giving overlapping functionality - like printing 2 pages on 1 - depending on the app and printer, you can do it in the app dialog, the printer dialog, both or none...)

It seems you're using some different Windows. Almost all software use basic print dialog, some complex software (like Office) do extend it with additional options, but it still looks consistent.

In windows, apps even have several totally different visual styles - compare office, msn, media player...

Compare Abiword, gaim, amarok, mplayer...

You are blaming windows for different visual styles?! At least on Windows there is one standart widget set which actually looks consistent! Can't say that about the Qt/GTK mess.

each version looks different from the previous and the other software on the pc.

No it doesnt. My media players (VLC, MPC) doesnt look different between versions, the same with my pro tools - Sony Vegas, Sonic Stage, Photoshop, email client, etc.

I don't. In linux, start Synaptic and use search.

You should know what to search, and chances you'll get huge list of obscure-named software you somehow need to choose from anyway.

which often takes a lot more time (not counting the fact you often find shareware, can't trust freeware due to virus/spyware stuff etcetera).

I've never had any virus/spyware on Windows, but I've seen rootkited Linux boxes which can be fixed only by wiping the whole system and reinstall.

And I don't get the 'linux is slower' thing. Sure, windows redraws faster, and seems to start faster.

Exactly.

But as soon as you do something, you have to wait until it is done.

Not really. For instance, when I work in NLE, I have to wait only on the final rendering stage. I'm so used to fast GUI in Windows I cannot stand even small interface lag. This problem is solved by accelerated window managers, though, but they are still in alpha state.

Try Outlook, open someone else's agenda. Until the server has send the info and the app is ready with it, you can't do anything - it just freezes.

Don't know about outlook, probably this feature is single-threaded, anyway such issues can be seen in FOSS software as well. Just yesterday I had similar troubles with Gnome Art Manager.

Try to open 10 word files by hitting enter when having them selected in explorer, compare that to KDE with Koffice or even openoffice... Your windows system won't be very usable...

Absolutely usable, corresponding number of Word instances has opened.

I wouldn't say Linux is perfect, but windows desktop users (and you clearly haven't used KDE more than a few hours each time) don't see how windows is limiting them, used as they are to being limited.

I've yet to understand how Windows is limiting me :-)

Did you ever try to drag'n'drop a file to a input field in a webbrowser? Hell, no, drag'n'drop rarely works in windows.

Drag'n'drop works like a charm in Windows. I'm not sure why would you drop a file to a input fiend in a browser?

In konqi, you can drag'n'drop tabs. In firefox, you have to install another extension. dunno about IE 7, but I guess it doesn't work either.

No, drag'n'drop tabs work by default in Firefox and IE7.

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