Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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RE: Xorg 7.3
by Doc Pain on Sat 17th Mar 2007 22:06 UTC in reply to "Xorg 7.3"
Doc Pain
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2006-10-08

"Xorg 7.3 (slated for this summer/fall) is said to bring auto-configuration/hotplugging/easy dual-monitor setup/etc to X11."

I'm looking forward to see these improvements, they are what the newbie and average users are expecting. But I would also like to see X's ability to be maintained by SSH command line dialog keeping alive. Especially for older hardware, you often need to override malfunctioning autodetection, i. e. setting monitor frequencies, resolution and color depth by hand, so in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. So it would be great to have a choice, such as command line options to force the use of a certain configuration file, or a command line option for having everything autodetected.

BTW, I prefer xdm (instead of gdm and kdm). This is just a security issue: If you enter a password, kdm displays ****** making it possible to know the password's length; xdm displays nothing, just like the standard login program. As it should be. Furthermore, kdm can be used to override security barriers (users without password, auto login user without password etc.), but that's exactly what Joe Q. Sixpack wants to have at home. Of course, he does not own a multi-user system.

As it has been mentioned somewhere before, /usr/X11R6 will be merged into /usr/local, so all installed applications that do not come with the OS are inside /usr/local, while the rest is just the OS itself (excluding mountpoints and /home partition(s) here).

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RE[2]: Xorg 7.3
by NeoChaosX on Sun 18th Mar 2007 17:23 in reply to "RE: Xorg 7.3"
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2005-07-06

BTW, I prefer xdm (instead of gdm and kdm). This is just a security issue: If you enter a password, kdm displays ****** making it possible to know the password's length;

Just FYI, but KDM has an option to show either one star, three stars, or show no echo at all.

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RE[3]: Xorg 7.3
by Doc Pain on Sun 18th Mar 2007 18:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Xorg 7.3"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Just FYI, but KDM has an option to show either one star, three stars, or show no echo at all."

I think I've heard of this before, but that's not the default setting, isn't it? "Secure by default" (such as "enable on demand" or "closed at first installation") are good concepts. But I can imagine why ***** are displayed: The user is expecting something to appear. My boss did, too: "I cannot login, it won't accept my password!" So I told him to enter login name and password, without looking at the screen. "Wow, it works! I haven't tried the password, in fact, because it wasn't shown at all." As he knew about why there is no echo on the screen, he understood, and now he can login for himself. :-) Linux has come a long way to make the novice user Joe Q. Sixpack feel comfortable. Some security barriers are falling, as I explained before. It's okay for home use, but it's to be avoided in a setting where unauthorized personnel is looking from behind when you're sitting on the administrative system.

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