Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 17:52 UTC, submitted by alexorizor
Zeta Bernd Korz has announced that the Zeta development team and Magnussoft are parting ways [German]. The team and Bernd will continue to develop Zeta, and the service pack (Zeta v1.51) will still be released in the coming weeks.
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RE[5]: Haha
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Haha"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Let me make VERY clear that on the OSNews comments' sections, absolutely NO comparison will EVER be drawn between person/company/product xyz and the Nazis/3e Reich, or whatever. This is OUT OF LINE, no matter how innocent the comparison may be. End of story.

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RE[6]: Haha
by ormandj on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 23:42 in reply to "RE[5]: Haha"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

Let me make VERY clear that on the OSNews comments' sections, absolutely NO comparison will EVER be drawn between person/company/product xyz and the Nazis/3e Reich, or whatever. This is OUT OF LINE, no matter how innocent the comparison may be. End of story.

History teaches lessons quite well. You have your opinions, I have mine. I don't "ignore" history, and when it parallels something in current times, I point it out. I used a purposefully extreme example in an attempt to highlight exactly what I intended to portray, and I'm *quite* sure it was clear to all who read it prior to the down-moderation storm.

So, why don't you define exactly what form of censorship you'd like to enforce here, and what parts of history are off limits and which are not? I'd like to be clear on what I am permitted to refer to and what I am not permitted to refer to in the future.
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Now, on to the people claiming "innocent until proven guilty." That's true, in a COURT OF LAW. I am a consumer, he has a product. He has to prove to ME that I should spend my hard-earned money on HIS product. This isn't a question of innocence or guilt.

The guy won't come out and say he has legal rights to the source code for goodness sake. There is NO logic/business reasoning for not coming out and saying he has legal rights to the source, UNLESS he does not - or he is operating outside the bounds of his license agreement and doesn't want people to know it. Bernd DOES need to come out and prove to us (the consumers) his legitimacy. We're not trying him, there is no such thing as innocent until guilty in the business world.

You still wonder why yT failed? You wonder why Zeta is going nowhere? Look no further than Bernd and his insane business practices. Who knows what went on with Magnus, I'm sure some people have some interesting stories to tell.

So, since Zeta is so awesome, Bernd is so awesome, and the operation is so awesome, why don't one of the people involved with Zeta step forward and finally tell us they have full legal rights to the full source code of BeOS. Guess what? Nobody ever will. Goodbye, Zeta! Hello, Haiku!

I only hope the good people who've done work on Zeta figure out what a crazy operation they are involved with and move their talent to Haiku, a legal and forward-thinking project - that isn't out to screw the public, and isn't run by somebody with the business sense of roadkill.

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RE[6]: Haha
by melkor on Sat 24th Mar 2007 00:02 in reply to "RE[5]: Haha"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

So you are allowed to dictate what can and can't be said in a nazi style yes? Hardly seems democratic to me Mr Holwerda. In some countries in Europe it might be illegal to mention the word Nazi or Third Reich, but I believe this website is not hosted in those countries, and other countries still allow certain levels of civil liberties. You would do well to allow them. I had very little respect for you prior to the above comment, I now have no respect for you whatsoever. I don't care if I get modded down for this, it needs to be said. If you don't like my freedom of speech, tough shit.

Dave

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RE[7]: Haha
by ormandj on Sat 24th Mar 2007 00:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Haha"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

NM, must have been caching system. Ignore this post.

Edited 2007-03-24 00:08

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RE[7]: Haha
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 24th Mar 2007 04:47 in reply to "RE[6]: Haha"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The righteous indignation is hardly justified. First of all, the OP made an incredibly crass and offensive comparison and Thom was entirely justified in the way he called it.

Second of all, despite your implied suggestion that only uptight Austrians/Germans are offended by comparisons to Nazism, I doubt that you'll find acceptance of those sorts of comparisons anywhere. "Godwin's Law" isn't exactly a brand-new concept.

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RE[7]: Haha
by JonathanBThompson on Sat 24th Mar 2007 05:52 in reply to "RE[6]: Haha"
JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

"I wouldn't do that if I were you, Dave!"

Ok, what the HAL...

Let's have a lesson involving sets/union theory and perspective to get things properly understood:

1. We are all subject to the laws of our respective countries and international laws

2. The web host used by OSNews is limits them to a subset of those laws as specified by them.

3. Users/readers of OSNews are limited to any arbitrary subset of laws/rules set forth by the owners/administrators of OSNews that are subject to the rules/laws set forth by their web host which are in turn subject to the laws of the respective country, etc.

Now, if this had been a government-run site, sure, full freedom of speech (as much as allowed by the given country) would be something you could expect, but OSNews is a subset government as listed above, and I'm betting you paid exactly as much as I did in time and money and effort to provide OSNews, which limits you legally and morally to being subject to whatever arbitrary rules set forth by the powers that Be(OS) (I had to sneak that in there!) even if you don't really like them. Do I agree with everything the people involved with OSNews say and do? NO! But it isn't my right to whine and accuse and demand more rights, anymore than it is your right, and there's no more legal or moral precedent that says OSNews must allow anyone to say what they want in posts here, any more than Thom has the right to go into your home and scrawl "I want to hump your cat until it screams!" on your walls and claim "Freedom of speech!" as his defense.

Now, back to the thread topic:
Yes, yT has sowed many seeds of reasonable doubt, but I have no proof either way that the IP is being used legally or illegaly beyond heresay, and I suspect that's cost them quite a bit in sales, and if potential suitors to picking up the costs of developing Zeta also have as much doubt, or they have evidence that it's illegal, that's likely to be a deal-breaker for sane business people.

But one reason I've not gotten Zeta yet is one piece of information I DO have is that this system I'm typing on (my main BeOS box) doesn't work correctly under Zeta. I still remain wary of the legality question of Zeta, personally, and that's another reason for me to pause.

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