Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Apr 2007 21:56 UTC, submitted by suka
Novell and Ximian "Nat Friedman has been one of the driving forces behind the development of the Linux desktop for a few year now. First with his own company Ximian, founded together with Mono chief architect Miguel de Icaza, after its acquisition now inside Novell. A few months ago he has been named 'Technologist of the Year' by the VarBusiness magazine for his work around the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Since then he has been promoted to Chief Technology and Strategy Officer for Open Source, besides the desktop he is also overseeing Novells server business now. During Novells Brainshare Andreas Proschofsky had the possibility to sit down with Friedman and talk about the Linux desktop, the consequences of the Microsoft agreement and the mistakes of the Hula project."
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The loonies have taken over the asylum
by porcel on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 00:39 UTC
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Does anyone else have the feeling that Nat is completely self-serving and nor furthering the interests of Novell itself?

Nowhere in the desktop projects does he mention KDE which has much more demand among enterprises than Gnome. If he really is setting desktop/server strategy at Novell, all my hope for Novell is quickly vanishing and I have a large number of desktops and servers on Suse right now.

He seems to be a typical child of dysfunctional corporations allowing the most incongruent and disqualified people to rule supreme based on their sheer arrogance. To top it all all, the man cannot even speak proper English. It becomes very annoying to read someone who sounds like a character out of a 1980s fraternity house B-Movie:

"Also there is a fork called Bongo now, were they are doing some great work, so I guess Hula will live on through both of that."

Moderation be damned. I have seen nothing good come from Nat and Miguel's involvement with the Linux desktop. They are self-important luminaries in their own minds.

Damn shame what they are doing to the face of the linux desktop and damn shame that Novell has allowed them to run amok.

Edited 2007-04-02 00:48

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sbergman27 Member since:

Nowhere in the desktop projects does he mention KDE which has much more demand among enterprises than Gnome.

Only in your fantasy world.

Enterprises don't roll out PCLinuxOS. They use enterprise distros. And all the enterprise distros I know of (SLED and RHEL Desktop) are Gnome based.

Enterprises don't really care about Gnome or KDE. They care about what their vendor supports.

So there is really no enterprise *demand* for either one.

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superstoned Member since:

Suse has for a long time been the most viable option on the DESKTOP (Red Hat is mostly used for servers). And 90% of the Suse users use KDE. Novell (Nat) is indeed trying to change that. Bad for the users, imho, and a waste of money, but hey, let 'em if they want...

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porcel Member since:

Enterprises do care about desktops. The proof is that Novell was force to reinstate KDE as a desktop choice in its enterprise distribution after it announced that it was no longer going to support it.

Do you think Suse made this decision out of the kindness of its sweet corporate heart?

KDE is what made Suse popular in Europe and KDE is what everyone runs over here.

Red Hat has no desktop presence and is largely irrelevant in that space. And SLED has at best an equal share of KDE/Gnome users, in spite of the fact that Gnome is the default desktop. Want numbers? Ask Miguel or Nat and if they are honest, they will tell you exactly what I am telling you.

Edited 2007-04-02 11:41

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Soulbender Member since:

"Nowhere in the desktop projects does he mention KDE which has much more demand among enterprises than Gnome."

It does? Says who? Where are the facts?

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porcel Member since:

Suse had to go back to the drawing board when they announced that they would no longer be supporting KDE as a desktop choice on their enterprise distribution.

Why? Because too many clients called in and complained. Here in Europe, I have deployed and worked on hundreds of linux desktops over the last 4 years and have not seen many corporate linux deployments where the choice was gnome.

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lopisaur Member since:

The original article was in German; I guess the interview was done in English, translated into German and then translated back into English. And English/German translators in Germany and Austria aren't what you'd call "good" by any means. (Maybe except me, self-serving plug)
It's sort of like when you read your VCR's manual that was written in Japanese, translated into English, translated into Japanese, translated back into English and then published...
What I mean is I guess the guy actually speaks proper English.

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natfriedman Member since:

The interview was transcribed from tape by a non-native English speaker and some of the things I said were paraphrased a little bit.

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