Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 17:13 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Novell and Ximian "The Free Software Foundation has published a third draft of the GPL3 license. The FSF had indicated leading up to this draft that it would be addressing some concerns it had with the Novell-Microsoft agreements in the draft. Here's Novell's position on the new draft."
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RE[3]: Lower the boom!
by WarpKat on Wed 4th Apr 2007 15:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lower the boom!"
WarpKat
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2006-02-06

I don't know if you've been keeping track of recent events, but I initially didn't have a problem with Novell being a mixed source company - I still don't. As a matter of fact, that's what it takes for good projects to come together from closed source and open source camps.

What we take objection with is Novell getting into bed with Redmond with the 'best of intentions' and allowing Microsoft to start with their, "See, we told you open source infringed our IP!"

THAT is what we take objection to. It's like the school bully dating your sister 'with the best of intentions' and then kicking your butt up and down the street as he sees fit while your sister doesn't lift a finger or say a damned thing to stop it.

Novell = puppet.

Novell = SCO.

Novell = the bully's concubine.

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Just one thing to keep in mind...
by IanSVT on Wed 4th Apr 2007 17:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Lower the boom!"
IanSVT Member since:
2005-07-06

I understand the issues with Novell over all of this. From a PR standpoint, they really botched this(PR needs to stop hanging out with Novell's marketing division). I'm not sure they really thought this all out, and they certainly didn't talk to the right people inside Novell and out.

Saying Novell is overtly doing this to screw Linux over and take the crown as king bastard to the Linux community from SCO is a matter of opinion. Could those tinfoil hat wearers be right? It's possible. Would Novell purposely undercut their own business to screw over some Linux users? I doubt it. The only way that could be the case is if there are real shady Gordon Gekko tactics being done by the execs.

A big contention from this is part of the community is that it gives ammo to Microsoft to generate FUD(I truly hate that term, but it fits). Other than a couple of shots from Balmer, Microsoft has been fairly quiet. Most of the uproar has been generated from the OSS community. Some of it valid and some of it pure FUD(again, vomit). There are many people here, like the Novell=SCO segment, that are doing Microsoft's job for them.

The fact of it all is, if the GPL3 does destabilize Novell's ability to distribute Linux or Linux based products, it's going to hurt Linux in the enterprise. Now if you don't care about the enterprise, it's probably a win-win. However, if you do see the value of enterprise support of Linux, customers and third party vendors will be vary wary of Linux support. That only means one thing, continued or expanded Microsoft support and dropped or no possibility of Linux support.

Outside of Novell, the biggest issue seems to be the violation of the spirit of the GPL. That lends itself to a moral dilemma. Morals and business have a tendency to fly in the face of each other. The closer Linux gets to "critical mass" and thereafter, the more you're going to see moral dilemmas, even if no 'laws' were broken.

Edited 2007-04-04 17:43

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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The fact of it all is, if the GPL3 does destabilize Novell's ability to distribute Linux or Linux based products, it's going to hurt Linux in the enterprise. Now if you don't care about the enterprise, it's probably a win-win. However, if you do see the value of enterprise support of Linux, customers and third party vendors will be vary wary of Linux support. That only means one thing, continued or expanded Microsoft support and dropped or no possibility of Linux support.
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You are forgetting that Redhat is a more major player than Novell in that market. If Novell is crippled, RedHat is there to fill the void and take on customers that would have been theirs anyway if Novell had never gotten into the business.

I would as soon see RedHat have some competition. But Novell's exit from the market would make room for another Linux pure play.

Novell is a middle aged balding company desperately trying to think young and talk hip. But their minds and attitudes are still those of middle aged businessmen who think in terms of patent agreements, exclusive contracts, and licensing proprietary software.

They tried. I'll give them that. But they failed. Best to sweep that failure off the table and make room for another company which really "gets it".

Edit: Yeah, I'm playing devil's advocate today! ;-)

Edited 2007-04-04 19:01

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