Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:29 UTC
Zeta A lot of things have happened in the past few days concerning Zeta, BeOS, and Haiku. In order to create some order in the chaos, Eugenia and I have created a rough timeline of what happened the past 6-7 years. Read on for the timeline and some more thoughts on the matter. Update: Magnusoft ceases distribution of Zeta. Update II: Access answered the questions posed in the article.
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RE[5]: I'll tell you why...
by tonestone57 on Thu 5th Apr 2007 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I'll tell you why..."
tonestone57
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2005-12-31

I just don't get you Linux advocaters coming on here & bashing Haiku.

All I hear is "Haiku won't make it. Forget Haiku & BeOS; They're not worth it.", etc.

Well. When Linux started out, 1) how many users did it have? 2) In the first 5 years, what did the number of pc users grow to? 3) What platforms did it support? 4) How good was it overall?

It has taken Linux many, many years before gaining lots of users and popularity. Haiku will do the same over time, though today, it has to compete with Linux. What are you afraid of, that Linux will lose the battle? You like Linux so much, then stick with it and let the rest of us enjoy BeOS/Haiku.

I think Haiku will make it, but won't happen in 2 years, but take something like 5 years to start being noticed *and* Linux / Windows will lose users to Haiku.

This isn't flame-bait. Just the facts.
I didn't realize you had a crystal ball and could see 10 years in the future & know what Haiku will or won't have. Linux didn't offer much in the start either, it took a couple of years *after* the first release to get things going.

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RE[6]: I'll tell you why...
by lucky13 on Thu 5th Apr 2007 17:16 in reply to "RE[5]: I'll tell you why..."
lucky13 Member since:
2007-04-01

When Linux started out

BeOS isn't just starting out. Neither is Haiku.

Haiku will do the same

No, it won't. It will appeal to the same people BeOS appealed to.

won't happen in 2 years, but take something like 5 years to start being noticed

Meaning 2012, at which time people will be using Linux on cell phones and mobile devices without knowing a single thing about command lines or bash scripts.

Linux / Windows will lose users to Haiku

And pigs will fly and monkeys will fly out of all our...

Linux didn't offer much in the start either, it took a couple of years

We're not a "couple years" into the lifespan of BeOS and its open source offspring, we're a couple years past its relevance. There are very major differences in how each platform has developed. Linux was suited not only to immediate relevance (80836), but relevance that would extend beyond (Pentium) and into the future (scalability for use in mobile devices). Haiku has no such strategy. It's trying to recreate Be with an open source license. I don't have anything bad to say about that (read what I wrote on my blog -- I admire what they're doing). I just think it's creating its own obsolescence by tying itself to the desktop.

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RE[7]: I'll tell you why...
by tonestone57 on Thu 5th Apr 2007 17:46 in reply to "RE[6]: I'll tell you why..."
tonestone57 Member since:
2005-12-31

BeOS isn't just starting out. Neither is Haiku.
BeOS was abandoned (dead!) in 2001; had it continued to today, then it would have been a different story. Haiku doesn't even have a release. The first Haiku release (R1) is when I consider an OS to make its first apperance. (Imagine me working on an OS for 10 years, but haven't finished it. Do you think anyone can or would use it?) As I see it, an OS isn't *ready* until the First Release (R1) *and* that is when it begins its *actual* life.

Yes, 5 years. Haiku has to catch up. It'll be usable from R1, but recognition / user adoption won't come till R2 or R3. RedHat 5 attracted many people to Linux, do you think RedHat 1, 2 or 3 were even noticed?

BeOS ceased in 2001, so how can you say it still exists today? It is like taking Windows 98 & comparing it to the current version of Linux in 2007 *and* then saying, look how great Linux is. Is that fair? Haiku doesn't even have R1 out and won't be able to compete with Linux till at about R3. (Comparing a *new* OS, Haiku, to one that has been around for many years, Linux is not fair. And Haiku is *new* because it is built from the ground up, with no BeOS source code to go on).

I agree that Linux is further ahead and has gained lots of momentum and support. Reason why Haiku is having trouble getting finished; tough to get developers, because they either go to Linux or Windows.

Haiku may just go for the Desktop and that will be good enough for me and many others. It *may* also go after the embedded market in the future and that would be even better. Who can say. It is *capable*, but who knows what will happen. Linux has a strong presence and it'll be tough to gain support on embedded devices.

Edited 2007-04-05 18:01

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RE[6]: I'll tell you why...
by Vibe on Thu 5th Apr 2007 17:17 in reply to "RE[5]: I'll tell you why..."
Vibe Member since:
2007-03-12

It has taken Linux many, many years before gaining lots of users and popularity. Haiku will do the same over time, though today, it has to compete with Linux. What are you afraid of, that Linux will lose the battle? You like Linux so much, then stick with it and let the rest of us enjoy BeOS/Haiku.

Haiku has a core philosophy and responsible team of people managing it. That's a good sign. One big hurdle for Linux is that it's a mess. OS X is exclusive. Windows is a walled garden. Haiku doesn't suffer from those impediments.

Right out of the box Haiku has a good design and documentation. Anyone who has Haiku will have the same experience on another machine. It's not drowned in bloatware, and porting key applications is no real bother. How can it not do well?

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