Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 22:39 UTC, submitted by El-Al
BeOS & Derivatives "We are very pleased to announce that Access, the current holders of the BeOS intellectual property, has responded positively to our request for permission to reproduce the BeBook and all the Be Newsletters. As a result, we will be able to release these BeOS legacy documents under a Creative Commons license."
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RE[6]: Confirmation
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 5th Apr 2007 20:19 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Confirmation"
StephenBeDoper
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As somebody who holds shares in a company (as you claim to), assuming with the intent of making a profit eventually, I would hope you'd feel some urgency in responding to a large portion of people who's sole reason for not purchasing your product was the questionable legality. I'm not the only person who had issues with Bernd/Zeta, many people did.


You're vastly overestimating the importance of comments made on OSNews - while I spend plenty of time here, I have no illusions that it's anything other than a pseudononymous virtual peanut gallery. This is hardly the New York Times or the Globe and Mail - nor their letters-to-the-editor pages.

There was enough background information to make a well educated/informed decision about the legality of Zeta.


Again, there's a difference between that and stating a fact without substantiation.

It also appears that you're making the nuance-free assumption that anyone who didn't vocally condemn yellowTAB was automatically a supporter, true-believer in the legality of their product, etc. I stuck with R5 and avoided purchasing ZETA precisely because of some of the reasons you mentioned (and the fact that the whole operation seemed consistently unprofessional in general) - but until the BitsOfNews post, there certainly wasn't anywhere near enough substantial evidence for rational adults to get out the pitchforks and light up their torches.

As to the criticism - I actually drew very little, hence most of my moderation having been positive. I've held the same stance concerning Bernd/yT/etc for quite some time - and my reasoning has remained the same.


Eh? But there was apparently enough for you to make multiple self-congratulatory "I have overcome the slings and arrows - and by the way, I told you so" posts?

See my above response as to why Bernd keeping quiet on the topic is proof enough by itself, let alone all the other factors involved.


So your contention is... that absence of proof is proof of absence? Or are you just confusing evidence with proof?

I could have thought of less crass/offensive "comparisons" myself, in fact I made one of a car driver in one of my more recent posts. The intent was simply to bring to people's attention the parallels of ignorance.


Do you seriously believe that a meaningful parallel can be drawn between between working for a company with unsavoury business practices, and complicity in a regime that commited attempted-genocide and a laundry list of war crimes? The two acts - and their consequences - are so far removed from each other's league that any analogy between them is absurd, inflammatory hyperbole at best.

It's sad that some people have been reduced to something just shy of censorship because of taboos.


Oh please. "Censorship?" In what way have you been censored, or is that just a further delusion-of-persecution? I know it's a favourite passtime on OSNews to make obviously-inflammatory comments and then play the poor, set-upon victim when people respond in kind. But it's getting pretty tiresome.

Walk into any culture with a taboo and say something that breaks this taboo, and see what happens.


That's an over-simplication which completely ignores context - and I also wasn't aware that the vast majority of people on the internet constituted a single culture.

You tell me, in what way, did I imply that Bernd was committing genocide? I simply pointed out that even smart/good people can do stupid things out of ignorance, destroying something that was once great.


If that was what you meant to communicate, then it would have been much more appropriate to simply state it that way. And there are certainly much, much more apt comparisons - once which don't include reference to groups primarily known for murdering millions of people (and aren't so inherently emotionally-loaded).

Maybe you should research your terminology before you throw it around, it doesn't have the meaning you think it does.


You know, people might treat your posts a little more seriously if you were capable of writing *at least* a single paragraph without including some little petty, infantile remark.

Concerning Godwin's law, remind me to always listen to attorneys. ;) His "law" specifically states that the analogy can absolutely be made, just it is not the most efficient means since it will invoke negative response.


There's a difference between laws that are proscriptive rules and laws that are descriptive observations. Godwin's Law is of the latter type, you seem to be mistaking it for a law of the first type.

What you seem to not realize, this was my INTENT, and as stated before - it worked exactly as I intended and wished. I intended to say something jolting to get people to "wake up".


If you think that your intent justified making such an ignorant comparison, then you've pretty much proven my point about a stunning lack of intellectual context.

It worked.


The only way that post could be described as a success is if your goal to demonstrate that you are unconcerned by silly little things like intellectually-consistent standards of argument.

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