Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Apr 2007 18:59 UTC, submitted by danwarne
Windows Lots of Windows-related news today. Firstly, responding to customer demand, Dell has restarted selling new PCs with Windows XP installed on them. Secondly, Microsoft software will sell for just USD 3 in some parts of the world in an attempt to double the number of global PC users (probably not at all unrelated to this interesting figure). Lastly, Vista may only be three months old in the retail marketplace, but Microsoft is already seeking participants in the beta testing program for the next version of Windows Media Center, codenamed Fiji. Update: Microsoft denied the sales figures in China to News.com.
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RE[3]: Not surprising....
by kaiwai on Sat 21st Apr 2007 04:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not surprising...."
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

The drivers for their pre-existing hardware, genius. Digital cameras, scanners and printers were the main culprits.


Excuse me, but how is that possible. Digital cameras either use PTP or USB Storage for accessing digital photo's. If your camera doesn't support those two major transferring protocols, maybe you got ripped off rather than it being an issue with Windows Vista or some other boogie man.

Printers? I've had a look - Canon have drivers out, Epson, and HP - the big names for consumers all have their printers out; want to use some freaky no name brand that doesn't provide quality drivers, then be my guest, but don't blame Microsoft for your poor purchasing decisions.

Scanners - who the heck uses those these days with the rise of multi-fuctional printers/scanners/copiers? If your drivers aren't being provided, maybe the axe to grind is with the vendor of the hardware rather than it being with the operating system vendor - how is it Microsofts fault that the companies you bought the hardware off are too lazy to provide the necessary drivers to make the transition easy?

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RE[4]: Not surprising....
by PlatformAgnostic on Sat 21st Apr 2007 06:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Not surprising...."
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Well, I'll buck my usual posting trend to say that there's no great reason for a scanner to be incompatible with Windows Vista since the driver model should be equivalent... you don't really need to be in the kernel to drive something as low-speed as the average scanner.

I just looked it up though... seems like this is a security issue. They want to push the scanners out of LocalSystem and into LocalService to reduce its privilege levels. I don't know how much pain they expected, or were willing to tolerate, but maybe they could have provided some compatibility hacks to make it work.

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RE[5]: Not surprising....
by kaiwai on Sat 21st Apr 2007 10:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Not surprising...."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I just looked it up though... seems like this is a security issue. They want to push the scanners out of LocalSystem and into LocalService to reduce its privilege levels. I don't know how much pain they expected, or were willing to tolerate, but maybe they could have provided some compatibility hacks to make it work.


Ah yes, the scream of 'use a hack' and when the hack causes problems, you then have the same people complain that Microsoft didn't fix the problem properly.

Sorry, I'd sooner have broken compatibility and higher security.

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RE[4]: Not surprising....
by stestagg on Sun 22nd Apr 2007 01:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Not surprising...."
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Excuse me, but how is that possible. Digital cameras either use PTP or USB Storage for accessing digital photo's.

Well, My Canon, industry standards, DSLR came with a whole CD of software that allows remote-capture, time lapse photography, RAW editing and much more. It also provides a Mass storage interface for file access, but you are badly ignorant if you think that the only possible interface for a camera is for basic file transfer.

Scanners - who the heck uses those these days with the rise of multi-fuctional printers/scanners/copiers?


Anyone who cares anything about quality. The quality of a multi-functional scanner is usually much worse than that of a dedicated scanner (see: Economics 101).

If your drivers aren't being provided, maybe the axe to grind is with the vendor of the hardware rather than it being with the operating system vendor - how is it Microsoft's fault that the companies you bought the hardware off are too lazy to provide the necessary drivers to make the transition easy?

So let me get this straight. Epson(for example) develop a high quality scanner to work with windows XP, they spend many $1000s perfecting the drivers, ironing out all the bugs, getting to grips with the crappy Windows APIs (check out Linux/Glib, it's great by comparison). Then Microsoft turns round and releases a new OS and suddenly Epson have to spend many more $1000s ensuring that their unchanged product now works with some new OS. It's even worse for Graphics card manufacturers with the new WDM.

Given that it's Microsoft's fault that all these interfaces are changing, your claim that third parties are 'too lazy' to back up Microsoft's business development seems a bit strange.

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