Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:12 UTC, submitted by FreeRhino
"When free software supporters participate in the French presidential election on April 22 for the first round of voting, they will have information that may be unique in the world: position statements from all major parties on issues about free software, copyright, patents, and digital rights. Even more surprisingly - at least from a North American [ed. note: or the rest of Europe, sadly] perspective - a majority of the candidates have heard of these issues and developed positions on them."
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RE[8]: Politically-pandering whores
by ronaldst on Tue 24th Apr 2007 23:39
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RE[9]: Politically-pandering whores
by archiesteel on Wed 25th Apr 2007 01:37
in reply to "RE[8]: Politically-pandering whores"
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Companies can be owned by 1 person. It doesn't have to be many. The government is a monopoly. They don't need rights.
It doesn't matter if a company is made up of a single person, it is still a *separate entity*. The fact that you argue that the rights of these entities should have precedence over those of *real* persons is what I object to.
Oh and BTW, there's very little democracy in authoritarianism as freedoms/choices are replaced by regulations/laws imposed by force. You know when you make a transaction of more than 10'000$ and the federal police checks out your bank accounts for suspicious activities.
You need such regulations so that people can't abuse other people's right. That's because someone's rights should not impinge on somebody else's. We have laws against theft, for example, that curtail someone's rights (i.e. you *can't* steal) in order to protect the rights of others (i.e. the right not to be stolen from). This is all basic political philosophy. You can't possibly argue about these things if you don't understand these simple truths.
How do you think laws come to be in the first place? The are voted by politicians who are elected by the people (and who must conform to the constitution). So it is not a tyranny, but rather a social contract between the various members of society. Without such a contract, you'd have complete anarchy and the rule of might (la loi du plus fort).
We are *not* under an authoritarian regime. To imply that we are is an *insult* to those who live in *real* dictatorships. You can't possibly expect people to take you seriously when you make such idiotic statements.
I am talking about individual rights. Companies aren't run by robots. Individuals, 1 person or more, run companies.
Again, that is irrelevant to the fact that companies are separate entities, and as such should *not* have more rights than *real* persons.
I could insult/label you back but I don't view you as a bad person. You just need to learn more about the concept of personal freedoms.
I'm sorry, but when you spout such statements that can so easily be deconstructed with textbook arguments, it's pretty clear that they are not based on rational thought, but on dogmatic ideologies.
I think I know a lot more about the notion of personal freedom that you, as anyone who has read our little exchange can tell. Personal freedoms are not absolute: I should not have the freedom to steal from others, or physically abuse them, or worse. It is perfectly fine to have *these* freedoms curtailed, because they restrict other people's freedom. Absolute freedom for all is neither achievable nor desirable.
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I imagine you meant "made up of persons...doesn't matter. Being "made up" of persons isn't the same as being a person. Hey, a government is made up of persons, does that mean it should have the same rights as a real person?
People are *more* free nowadays. Heck, there was a time where most people were serfs! You are nostalgic about a time that has never existed.
So, to you democracy equals mediocrity? That's quite telling...
Who said anything about being told how to run your life? We were talking about the rights of *companies*, not *individuals*...
I give up. You're too far the extreme right end to be reasoned with. Fortunately, your view represent only a tiny minority and are irrelevant. Have fun living in your ideological fantasy!