Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th May 2007 09:42 UTC, submitted by FreeRhino
Law and Order Microsoft has said it will not sue Linux users with regards to the company's patent claims. "We're not litigating. If we wanted to we would have done so years ago," said Horacio Gutierrez, Microsoft's VP for intellectual property and licensing, in an interview. When asked for a reply regarding the claim of Microsoft that the Linux kernel infringes 42 of its patents, Linus Torvalds replied: "Can you get a list of which ones? Before that, it's just FUD, and there's not a whole lot I can say or do. Is there prior art? Are they trivial and obvious to one skilled in the art? Would we need to work around them? We don't know, because all I've heard so far is just FUD. If MS actually wanted us to not infringe their patents, they'd tell us. Since they don't, that must mean that they actually prefer the FUD."
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RE[2]: Ref: How Pathetic
by Soulbender on Wed 16th May 2007 11:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Ref: How Pathetic"
Soulbender
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2005-08-18

"It's very difficult for any of us to make the assessment that there's no basis to Microsoft's claims"

On the contrary, it's actually very easy for us to make that assessment. The burden of proof is not on the accused but on the accuser. If you accuse me of something but *refuse* to provide evidence then you are full of it. At least that's a reasonable stance to take until such a time that you DO provide said evidence. How could I defend myself against your accusation if I don't know what it is exactly that I have supposedly done?

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RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic
by flanque on Wed 16th May 2007 12:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2005-12-15

That's true, but that doesn't mean it isn't coming, or that they aren't still up to something. The last thing Microsoft would want or need is to get themselves embroiled in a public slinging match.

They're far more calculating than that.

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RE[4]: Ref: How Pathetic
by Soulbender on Wed 16th May 2007 12:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2005-08-18

"That's true, but that doesn't mean it isn't coming, or that they aren't still up to something."

Right but what can we do? All we have are very vague accusations that we can not defend ourselves against and succumbing to intimidation isn't the right thing do. At least my dad's advice to me regarding the school bully was never "Oh just give him what he wants and it'll go away". I would really hope my dad wasn't an exception to the rule.

Edited 2007-05-16 12:09

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RE[4]: Ref: How Pathetic
by Rehdon on Wed 16th May 2007 12:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2005-07-06

They are up to something: they're waging a major FUD campaign against the free software developers and community. Don't you think that if they really had something in their hands they'd have already used it? I think Linus pretty much summed it all: until they come up with something, it's pure and simple FUD, and that's exactly what they want.

Rehdon

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RE[4]: Ref: How Pathetic
by twenex on Wed 16th May 2007 14:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2006-04-21

That's true, but that doesn't mean it isn't coming, or that they aren't still up to something. The last thing Microsoft would want or need is to get themselves embroiled in a public slinging match.

They're far more calculating than that.


If a government could arrest you for violating a law, but wouldn't tell you what that law was, we'd call that government a police state.

It's time people stood up and starting treating Microsoft with the contempt police states deserve.

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RE[4]: Ref: How Pathetic
by archiesteel on Wed 16th May 2007 15:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2005-07-02

They're far more calculating than that.


Yes and no. I think it was a gambit on MS's part. They are gambling that the mere threat of IP litigation is going to forestall Linux adoption. In other words, it's mostly a PR offensive (which can be quite effective, mind you).

With that in mind, the reaction most people have of ridiculing Microsoft's claims is *exactly* the right one to have. If they're going to fight on the PR front, then that's where we need to fight back, with assertions that the claims are unfounded until some evidence is provided. This will prevent MS from monopolizing the message, and counter their FUD effort.

If MS actually moves from empty threats to legal action, then the counter strategy will also change, from ridiculing MS's accusations to actual action (such as counterlitigation, patent warfare, and possibly modifications to the code in the off-chance that some of the patents are actually valid...)

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RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic
by tomcat on Wed 16th May 2007 20:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2006-01-06

On the contrary, it's actually very easy for us to make that assessment.

Not with any credibility. You don't know enough details to make such an assessment. You are free to ASSUME that there are no infringements, but that's nothing more than speculation.

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RE[4]: Ref: How Pathetic
by archiesteel on Wed 16th May 2007 21:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Ref: How Pathetic"
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2005-07-02

Did you even bother reading the rest of his post? He made a pretty convincing argument - I'd love to hear your rebuttal.

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