Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 22nd May 2007 03:43 UTC
General Unix Would you be able to survive one full day without using the X server? Linux offers us a wide assortment of CLI based tools which use curses and/or framebuffer for functional user interfaces. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able look up stuff online, read your email, look at pictures, watch movies and listen to music as you are trying to configure X.
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RE: Short answer...
by jessta on Tue 22nd May 2007 07:55 UTC in reply to "Short answer..."
jessta
Member since:
2005-08-17

I used just CLI apps for a year on my old pentium I 233Mhz 64MB toshiba laptop in 2005.
I used:
elinks(web browser with tab support)
irssi+bitlbee(irc and IM)
zgv (for graphics viewing)
vim (text editing)
mutt (email)

Pretty much everything is doable, except interactive graphics editing and accessing broken websites.

The problem is that there are many broken websites with broken layouts and stupid uses of javascript or flash. With AJAX becoming more popular less and less sites are usable in elinks.

- Jesse McNelis

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RE[2]: Short answer...
by Morin on Tue 22nd May 2007 08:25 in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> Pretty much everything is doable, except interactive graphics editing
> and accessing broken websites.

Add websites with Flash *content* like Youtube (certainly not broken).

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by jessta on Tue 22nd May 2007 09:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

Playing video in flash is certainly broken.
We already have perfectly fine media players to play videos on. eg. mplayer

There is no reason to force a user to use a media player that the site owner decides.

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RE[2]: Short answer...
by pandronic on Tue 22nd May 2007 11:12 in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

The problem is that there are many broken websites with broken layouts and stupid uses of javascript or flash. With AJAX becoming more popular less and less sites are usable in elinks.

It's called progress you know ...

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by w-ber on Tue 22nd May 2007 17:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
w-ber Member since:
2005-08-21

Not all progress is good.

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RE[2]: Short answer...
by Laurence on Tue 22nd May 2007 11:52 in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"

Pretty much everything is doable, except interactive graphics editing and accessing broken websites.
"

I've edited pictures in a command line hex editor before. Not really practical, but doable none-the-less.

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by mmu_man on Tue 22nd May 2007 14:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
mmu_man Member since:
2006-09-30

(X)Emacs' XPM mode can edit xpm pictures in place...
Just convert (ImageMagick) them to xpm, edit and convert back again. ;)

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RE[2]: Short answer...
by holywood on Tue 22nd May 2007 13:07 in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
holywood Member since:
2006-09-25

«Pretty much everything is doable, except interactive graphics editing and accessing broken websites. »

What about word processing and PDF ?

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by devurandom on Tue 22nd May 2007 13:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
devurandom Member since:
2005-07-06

Use LaTeX.

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by Doc Pain on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"What about word processing and PDF ?"

% pdflatex bratwurst.tex
% pdftotext bratwurst.pdf - | less
% lpr bratwurst.pdf

No problems. But remember: While the term word processing refers to things usually done with OpenOffice, LaTeX is for typesetting, which is the more professional "big brother" of word processing. It requires few time to learn, but is very powerful. It can even do presentations (foiltex + xpdf -fullscreen)! :-)

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by rcsteiner on Thu 24th May 2007 16:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

Under DOS, WordPerfect 6.1 and StarWriter 6 were both quite capable, and each had a WYSIWYG editing mode in addition to the text mode UI.

A text-mode PDF viewer which worked for PDF files like Links works for HTML files would be cool. :-)

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RE[2]: Short answer...
by Doc Pain on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:28 in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"The problem is that there are many broken websites with broken layouts and stupid uses of javascript or flash. With AJAX becoming more popular less and less sites are usable in elinks. "

Let me be more precise: With the improper use of "Flash" or AJAX, sites become inaccessible, especially for blind people who rely on having the valid HTML tags and attributes set (img alt, longdesc). Lynx et al. are good to test if your web site is barrier free. If it runs in a text mode browser, blind people can read it via a braille device. Actually, these devices transform characters (not images!) into "mechanical" sensory inputs a blind person can receive. Software that reads page content to the user works in a similar way. Actually, this is not done otherwise today.

Maybe, you could say: If a page is not receptable, it is not worth looking at... attention, provocant claim... :-)

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