Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2007 07:28 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y At the D5 conference yesterday evening (CET), an historic joint interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates took place. They were interviewed by the WSJ's Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher. Gates: "I admire Steve's taste. And that's not a joke." Jobs: "We've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now." You can find transcripts of the unscripted event here and here, while the AllThingsD website has started posting segments in video of the event as well.
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It is great to see 2 software leaders...
by hhcv on Thu 31st May 2007 12:23 UTC
hhcv
Member since:
2005-11-12

get together like this. But, I would have liked to see the OSS side represented too - maybe we could have had a few thousand of our visionaries up on stage too?

In all seriousness though, sometimes I look at my copy of Win 3.1 on my desk and consider it a historical artifact. But, then I have to realize that it is only 20 years old. Then I have to think how incredibly far these guys have brought us in to little time - It almost seems impossible.

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Fransexy Member since:
2005-07-29

What you must compare is what was avaliable when Win3.1 that is: BeOS, AmigaOS, IRIX.Now imagine how far would we be if the losers were Microsoft and apple and the winners Be inc, commodore and SGI.
In fact these two guys have brought us ten or more years behind of what we would have to be

Edited 2007-05-31 14:20

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JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

Not until October 1995 did BeOS even have their first Developer's Release: by that time, Windows NT was beyond version 3.1, which was a released product and in use in August 1993 (version 3.1). Furthermore, even at the earliest version, Windows NT had support for more than one CPU natively, and had native threading primitives that then were more advanced than anything that still runs natively or is ported on anything derived from BeOS.

By that time in 95, Windows 95 (a nod towards the reality that Windows NT wasn't a consumer-level success precisely because it was designed for business, was pure 32-bit, and had quite imperfect backwards compatibility: something all versions of BeOS have with themselves, but far more limited software selections in the best situation) was released, which made it feasible for most consumers to use a system that had traits from a more modern 32 bit OS with a few things from 16 bits that allowed them to use their old Windows 3.1 applications, at least to a greater extent than under Windows NT. Perfect? Hardly! However, I challenge you to run any version of BeOS on a 16 meg RAM machine and have it do anything useful: you could do that with Windows NT 3.1 and 95.

To this day, BeOS, for all its "goodness" still doesn't have as much support for threading primitives as Windows 95 does, has zero security (except obscurity) doesn't work with as many CPUs or cores as Windows NT does and did then, and can't use as much RAM as Windows NT (or even Windows 95!) did then, and I could go on, but there's no point.

Ultimately, especially at the state BeOS was back in the days they were trying to get Apple to buy it, it was very far behind from what NeXT had, so Apple made the far wiser choice in many ways, because BeOS was overpriced in comparison for its maturity. I guess JLG's Reality Distortion Field wasn't strong enough to overcome Steve Job's perception.

Despite all that, I'm still developing software for it, because in many ways, it's a more pleasant system to work with, but I'm not so blind to reality as to ignore the truth.

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