Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2007 19:46 UTC, submitted by Dale Smoker
Legal Internet search leader Google is trying to convince federal and state authorities that Microsoft's Vista operating system is stifling competition as the high-tech heavyweights wrestle for the allegiance of personal computer users. In a 49-page document filed April 18 with the U.S. Justice Department and state attorneys general, Google alleged that the latest version of Microsoft's Windows operating system impairs the performance of 'desktop search' programs that find data stored on a computer's hard drive. Besides bogging down competing programs, Google alleged Microsoft had made it too complicated to turn off the desktop search feature built into Vista.
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RE: Wow.
by JonathanBThompson on Tue 12th Jun 2007 21:32 UTC in reply to "Wow."
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I would mod you up more if OSNews would allow me, but for some reason, it won't.

That's the gist of the whole thing: Vista has just enhanced a feature that's existed since Windows 2000, and you can turn it off, and I'd be amazed if it isn't fairly easy to turn off programmatically: after all, it's just another one of many services, controlled in the same way other services are in NT mutations.

Google's whine is the exact equivalent of Symantec whining that another bit of anti-virus software is slowing theirs down: having more than one of the certain types of services will cause conflicts, and the way around that is to not have more than one installed, and that can be done (if nothing else) by asking and directing the user to uninstall/turn off something. I believe that it's far wiser in this case to have it explicitly stated what must be done, and why, and the ramifications: what if users have become attached to what the Vista indexing does for them?

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RE[2]: Wow.
by Beta on Tue 12th Jun 2007 22:46 in reply to "RE: Wow."
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JT, you and the parent post missed the point of this filing.

If Vista, in a future update couples Windows Live (I wouldn't know if it does this now, I haven't got Vista) searches into the desktop search tool, how is this not abusing/leveraging Microsoft's monopoly to gain market share in a different sector ?

Users aren't going to want to disable their desktop search! Most wont go to the effort to change to Google (even if they can), so Google have a valid complaint.

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RE[3]: Wow.
by JonathanBThompson on Wed 13th Jun 2007 00:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Wow."
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Sorry, Beta, but... no. You can't whine about what a company may do in the future that you think will be anti-competitive, but only what it is doing in the here and now as that's what can be proven, whereas being afraid that they might add that feature and filing a lawsuit over that just doesn't fly.

As to Google's complaints (the 49 page diatribe isn't linked by that article, so I can't read it in detail from there) about Microsoft not making it easy to add in their search engine features to Microsoft's search dialogs (which, if I'm not mistaken, are part of Vista Explorer, which is the same thing as BeOS's Tracker with the closest equivalent being queries and their dialogs) as stated by that article.

Well, if Google really wants to provide something they think is improved over what Vista provides, consider this: Windows NT derivatives have always allowed you to create your own GUI shell (Explorer) to replace whatever Microsoft provides, and that's fully documented, including how to create a new login method. I know, because I've done that at my last employer in Indianapolis, and I studied that.

If Google's "All that, and a bag of microchips" and they've truly got something superior for a user experience, it's not justice for them to expect to have someone else provide all the engineering time and money to provide them that platform to build from, when they can build their own. If they provided a "Google Explorer" they then have full control from top-bottom for results the user sees and experiences.

Besides, from a personal perspective, I've not seen any ISP software that's added to a system ever be worth as much hassle as it causes, as it often isn't as stable as the standard OS provides. The less software you have between you and your data, the better off you will be, all other things being equal.

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RE[3]: Wow.
by Nelson on Thu 14th Jun 2007 01:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Wow."
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Let me get this straight..they're complaining on something that could hypothetically happen?

If/When that happens is the time to complain, until then it's google spreading fud.

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