Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 13:44 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Federkiel writes: "People working with Apple computers are used to a very consistent user experience. For a large part this stems from the fact that the Lisa type of GUI does not have the fight between MDI and SDI. The question simply never arises, because the Lisa type of GUI does not offer the choice to create either of both; it's something different all along. I usually think of it as 'MDI on steroids unified with a window manager'. It virtually includes all benefits of a SDI and and the benefits of an MDI." Read on for how I feel about this age-old discussion.
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by Flatland_Spider on Sun 24th Jun 2007 15:23 UTC
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Gui design is entirely subjective. There is no right interface just like there is no right color. Red is not better then yellow, but I do prefer red cars.

People will adapt to whatever the designers decide. I was looking at a mockup for KDE with the KDE menu in the middle part of the bottom of the screen. That flies in the face of the "the menu should be in the corner" wisdom. Will it work? Yeah, people will get used to it after feeling odd for about a week. If someone really wanted to make a useful UI, it would tailor itself to the user, or they should get rid of most of it altogether. (<--Subjective Opinion so totally invalid)

Microsoft's surface interface looks really interesting from a UI point of view. I'd like to see them adapt it to a regular mouse and keyboard desktop though.

As far as Win versus Mac goes. I personally like to have things in neat little packets, it's my nature, so the application centric interface feels best for me. It also helps me switch between tasks, it's like context switching for my brain. ;)

My main thing against document specific interface, or at least Apple's version, is that the menu bar changes. I like things to stay the same, and I learn hotkeys for any frequent task, which cuts down on my usage of it. I'd rather use the space for something more productive.

Lastly, I think you should check out Office 2007's new ribbon interface. It really is pretty cool, and much more useful then the File menu plus toolbars approach.

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by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 24th Jun 2007 15:28 in reply to "Interfaces..."
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Lastly, I think you should check out Office 2007's new ribbon interface. It really is pretty cool, and much more useful then the File menu plus toolbars approach.

I'm a total addict of the ribbon interface element as used in Office 2007. Great stride forward compared to 2003's interface.

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by Kroc on Sun 24th Jun 2007 16:44 in reply to "RE: Interfaces..."
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Even as a Mac user, I've followed the development of the Ribbon interface extremely closely. It is one of Microsoft's best interfaces and even gives me some Windows-envy. The ribbon is scheduled to appear in Office:Mac 2008, albeit in a slightly more traditional way.

Coming up with a way to get rid of 100's of menu and toolbar buttons, and end up with something that's actually more productive than before is as big a UI innovation to me as the migration from DOS to GUI. It makes the GUI usable like it was supposed to be in the first place ;)

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by kramii on Mon 25th Jun 2007 09:07 in reply to "Interfaces..."
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>Gui design is entirely subjective.

Let's lay this myth to rest once and for all.

Imagine a GUI that is controlled by a mouse, but the mouse pointer moves in a random direction every time you move the mouse. Clearly, this would be bad for *everyone*.

A mouse-driven GUI where the pointer always moves in a consistent direction is, therefore, a demonstrably better design than a similar GUI where the pointer moves in a random direction.

Therefore, GUI design is not *entirely* subjective. There are at least *some* absolutes.

Of course, this does not mean that GUI design is not *partially* subjective.

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