Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Jun 2007 22:44 UTC
Windows As was to be expected, the Longhorn Reloaded team has been shut down by Microsoft. "It is with sad news that I have to inform you that today due to a cesit and decist letter we recived from Microsoft we are no longer able to provide you with a download link to Longhorn Reloaded. It deeply saddens me that although Microsoft hknew about this project for many months they only issued us with this notice a few days after we started to distribute the iso via torrents and ftp server."
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Cooperations buys laws
by WyldStylist on Tue 26th Jun 2007 02:21 UTC
WyldStylist
Member since:
2006-12-30

Today cooperations buy laws trademark laws, new copyright laws i dont defend them and refuse to subdue to any of them .
The customer is treated like a criminal is that the gratitude for bying a product you pay MS to betatest?
you get a new OS thats incompatible with anything and
you have to rent or crack it to make it work.
But still when you move on to some company they have to use liscensed stuff for each computer one os for all pcs is not enough , if u get an os its logical to do whatever you want with it if you evolve it with better codebase it becomes another product .
These laws prevented Ultima IV Dawn of virtue to be released , the guy had it ready n i wanted to play it.
Now they kill of an intresting OS that could probably evolve into a stable and nice OS.
The laws never create new oppurtunities for people i say as the Pirate that i am it's time to Demand it. However they could just make a distro of Reactos and continue with longhorn reloaded over the reactos codebase ofcause that would mean a better UI than the crappy ROS bloat hybrid between win98 and win3.11 explorer without webbyness and overactive desktop as longhorn was intended to be.

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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by Soulbender on Tue 26th Jun 2007 02:39 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Today cooperations buy laws trademark laws, new copyright laws i dont defend them and refuse to subdue to any of them ."

This has NOTHING to do with "new copyright laws". It's the same old copyright laws that prevents you from buying a book, make copies of it and sell them.

"if u get an os its logical to do whatever you want with it if you evolve it with better codebase it becomes another product . "

You CAN do whatever you want with it. The thing you cant do is redistribute it with (or without) the changes you've made.
This is not rocket science people, stop acting like MS is the big bad boogie man here.

"Now they kill of an intresting OS that could probably evolve into a stable and nice OS. "

Only if by "stable and nice" you mean "superficial changes someone made to the product that MS spent a load of money creating".

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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by Morgul on Tue 26th Jun 2007 03:59 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
Morgul Member since:
2005-07-06

The customer is treated like a criminal is that the gratitude for bying a product you pay MS to betatest?
you get a new OS thats incompatible with anything and
you have to rent or crack it to make it work.


In this day and age of the DMCA, the end user is a criminal, nine times out of ten. It's a bit sad, but true. Technically, since I watch DVD's on my linux computer, I'm a criminal. Ah, C'est la vie.

But still when you move on to some company they have to use liscensed stuff for each computer one os for all pcs is not enough , if u get an os its logical to do whatever you want with it if you evolve it with better codebase it becomes another product .


Ok, I've a few points to make. First, if by 'one os' you mean one copy, you're right. It's not. And since Microsoft created the OS in question, they legally can say you had to smear yourself with mud and dance half naked in the streets of Baghdad for each copy of the OS you install. It's their product, you don't have to buy it if you don't like the terms.

Secondly, it is logical to take an OS and evolve it. However, when you do that it becomes a 'derivative work'. In plain English it means no matter what changes you make to it, it's still based off something else, and hence, you need to make sure it's ok with the guys who first wrote it before showing people the work you did to it. Thankfully there's wonderful Open Source OSes that are quite willing to let you do just this. It's a shame Microsoft isn't as open to it as we would like, but really... did you expect them to be? I didn't.

Now they kill of an intresting OS that could probably evolve into a stable and nice OS.


This is what I really wanted to comment on. I venture to say that what you claim is impossible. ReactOS has been trying to do what would need to be done to achieve what you claim for years... and they're still working on it. You see, without the source code, there is _no way_ to make improvements to Longhorn. Ok, this isn't entirely true, but to do it would have been so mind blowingly painful that progress would be slow. And in two years... who's really going to want Longhorn? Heck Vista's hardly 6 months old and no one wants it anymore...

However they could just make a distro of Reactos and continue with longhorn reloaded over the reactos codebase ofcause that would mean a better UI than the crappy ROS bloat hybrid between win98 and win3.11 explorer without webbyness and overactive desktop as longhorn was intended to be.


I'm really confused here. IF they went with ReactOS, they would first need to work on ReactOS enough that they could solve the remaining issues with ReactOS. (Like increasing compatibility. Then they could work on shining up the GUI. Since ReactOS was written from the ground up, and is based on the much slimmer, more utilitarian win98/2k GUI... what bloat are you talking about?

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RE[2]: Cooperations buys laws
by sukru on Tue 26th Jun 2007 04:08 in reply to "RE: Cooperations buys laws"
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

"In this day and age of the DMCA, the end user is a criminal, nine times out of ten. It's a bit sad, but true. Technically, since I watch DVD's on my linux computer, I'm a criminal. Ah, C'est la vie."


Just wanted to remind that contract violation is not a crime (it just nullifies the contract).

Additionally playing DVDs on linux is also not a crime. There are already "licensed" alternatives, and DeCSS is no longer a trade secret [ http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DVDCCA_case/20040122_eff_pr.php ], too.

Finally this has nothing to do with the EULAs, people just "can't" redistribute others' programs even if they "fix" them (without permission of course).

Edited 2007-06-26 04:09

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RE[3]: Cooperations buys laws
by WyldStylist on Tue 26th Jun 2007 06:22 in reply to "RE: Cooperations buys laws"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

The bloat i mentioned goes to the reactos resource department in their intepretation of the Explorer shell , from the beginning it was 200 kb , when you with reshacker strip xp explorer.exe of the never used resources like bitmaps and icons you get around 320 kb , strip resources from shell32.dll 3.00 mb i know i've done it and it increases performance since it loads smaller files, i basically removed all 48x48 icons, left only 16x16 and 32x32 intact, placed 1 byte dummy icons for never used icons and for the ones that i use i have 256 colours , also i removed the overactive desktop functionality and use k-meleon only. however the 1 mb explorer.exe in reactos looks like bloat to me, no matter how much you reshack it it will stay big and messy, windows xp gui is incompatible with reactos, and yeah its slow dont get me wrong but reactos shell32.dll on install never does a cleanup on languages it takes up all possible languages stored inside (that too takes space and eats memory).
The version for "optional" overactive desktop is like deleting mshtml.dll from winntsystem32 folder not more.
Thats why a new distro need to be made , one with logical GUI without Active Desktop spyware feast, and after that focus on compatibility /network/drivers/ntfs support.
Not first build the bloat and after that the importain things.
But making a gui that is compatible with the xp/2003/win2000 gui would be nice , preferably to behave like an nt4 gui since the nt4 gui was quite decent before all patches, if they want graphical extras sure but make em not so integrated so they can be easily toasted .
smss.exe,lsass.exe are but examples there should be a way with command line to reboot too if people run advanced to test the os speed.
Come on dont we want reactos to surpass Windows?
Winlogon doesn't even need to be running same with RPC
(kill that and no taskbar bug after restart on xp)
Then we have the svchost instances only 1 needed, for sound (if your a gamer) come on how does miranda Im beat ICQ and Msn? it aint memoryhungry
Personally i encourage Reactos project i just would like more innovation in saving system resources instead of adding more fat and whats up with the wine based shell32?
Also a good idea would be to do like in win95 days easily unmark the stuff that wont be installed so everybody gets happy and i dont get "dont you know how dirt cheap ram is?" comments cause a good os that use very little system resources but is compatible with the systems makes excellent gaming os.
Thats why i would encourage a stand alone continuation of reactos project like Longhorn reloaded , they can rename it anything like for example Devilhorn to avoid ms attention ;)

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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by bsharitt on Tue 26th Jun 2007 04:37 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
bsharitt Member since:
2005-07-07

Today cooperations buy laws trademark laws, new copyright laws i dont defend them and refuse to subdue to any of them .
The customer is treated like a criminal is that the gratitude for bying a product you pay MS to betatest?
you get a new OS thats incompatible with anything and
you have to rent or crack it to make it work.
But still when you move on to some company they have to use liscensed stuff for each computer one os for all pcs is not enough , if u get an os its logical to do whatever you want with it if you evolve it with better codebase it becomes another product .
These laws prevented Ultima IV Dawn of virtue to be released , the guy had it ready n i wanted to play it.
Now they kill of an intresting OS that could probably evolve into a stable and nice OS.
The laws never create new oppurtunities for people i say as the Pirate that i am it's time to Demand it. However they could just make a distro of Reactos and continue with longhorn reloaded over the reactos codebase ofcause that would mean a better UI than the crappy ROS bloat hybrid between win98 and win3.11 explorer without webbyness and overactive desktop as longhorn was intended to be.


That is one of the strangest, most misguied arguments I heard in a while.

They are simply stopping people from redistributing their copyrighted property, using laws that are older than Microsoft. This is really no differnt that me making changes updating the quality of the theatrical versions of Star Wars because I don't like the special editions, and then being upset when Lucas stopped me from distributing it.

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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by gustl on Tue 26th Jun 2007 09:54 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

The customer is treated like a criminal is that the gratitude for bying a product you pay MS to betatest? you get a new OS thats incompatible with anything and
you have to rent or crack it to make it work."


Well, very good for Microsoft, I would say.

You bought the Beta, tested it, and now it is crap. That is exactly what the EULA to which you agreed said.

If you don't want to be treated like this, don't buy it. You have absolutely no right to demand something from anyone. If you don't like one operating system or the company which makes it, or the license it comes with, well, choose a worthier one. There are operating systems of all shapes, sizes and licenses to choose from. And lots of them are fun hacking for!

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RE[2]: Cooperations buys laws
by wannabe geek on Tue 26th Jun 2007 14:56 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
wannabe geek Member since:
2006-09-27

"In this day and age of the DMCA, the end user is a criminal, nine times out of ten. It's a bit sad, but true. Technically, since I watch DVD's on my linux computer, I'm a criminal. Ah, C'est la vie."

libdvdcss plusungood linux doubleplusungood DMCA bashing crimespeak BB is watching you

;)

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RE: Cooperations buys laws
by Spellcheck on Tue 26th Jun 2007 21:10 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
Spellcheck Member since:
2007-01-20

Corporations?

over the reactos codebase ofcause that would mean a better UI than the crappy ROS bloat hybrid between win98 and win3.11 explorer

If you've never seen ReactOS in action, just tell us that and we don't have to sit through miles of incoherence.

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RE[2]: Cooperations buys laws
by WyldStylist on Wed 27th Jun 2007 01:06 in reply to "Cooperations buys laws"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

i never said reactos doesnt work well , i talk about the UI functionality and the mindless active desktop implentation also the bad cleanup on it lots of webyness stays there , the Reactos in itself as an OS that Runs stuff works pretty well i just mentioned that the GUI should be made better first since it turns into ram-munching bloat.

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