Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jul 2007 09:11 UTC, submitted by Tim Alson
Hardware, Embedded Systems Dell has taken the unusual step - for a PC vendor of its size - of toning down its sales pitch for Microsoft's Vista operating system and warning businesses of the migration challenges that lie ahead for them. The step is particularly unusual because one of the issues the hardware vendor is warning business about is the extra hardware they will need to buy.
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Crono
Member since:
2006-11-08

it is expensive,

Yup.

unstable,

Well, that's not Microsoft's fault. It's the problem with the drivers because some vendors obviously didn't notice the release.

and incompatible with a lot of the installed software base as well as with a lot of hardware,

That's true, but most more or less recent software will run.

*I* think that the problem is that the people do not NEED Vista. It doesn't have the features that would justify the hassle to upgrade all comps.

Apart from those things, I don't like it

Seconded.

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psychicist Member since:
2007-01-27

Well, that's not Microsoft's fault. It's the problem with the drivers because some vendors obviously didn't notice the release.


I doesn't matter if it's Microsoft's or the hardware vendors' fault. People want something that works. This isn't an attack on either but someone has to take responsibility and must be held accountable.

Although I don't have any experience with Vista apart from a quick test of Beta 2 in VMware more than a year ago I do have experience with various XP SP2 installations where various certified drivers either included in Windows or from hardware vendors are conflicting up to the point where the system is too unstable for use just after a fresh install.

The way drivers are included in the Linux kernel means that although not all drivers for everything under sun are included, many are and they are tested together constantly so conflicts between drivers are resolved much easier and faster because all drivers can be modified at once if necessary.

I am certain the NT kernel would be a lot more stable if Microsoft adopted the same policy of developing and maintaining drivers alongside the core of the kernel itself. As long as the kernel itself and all drivers are not tested together crashes may happen.

Having had a discussion on this with a relative who has been an MCSE since NT 4.0 but who has also worked with OpenVMS (VAX/Alpha), HP-UX and Solaris, he came to the same conclusion. He also runs my Slackware based operating system at home and it serves primarily as a virtualisation base to run all kinds of Windows releases on, since XP proved too unstable a few years ago.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I doesn't matter if it's Microsoft's or the hardware vendors' fault. People want something that works. This isn't an attack on either but someone has to take responsibility and must be held accountable.

I would agree with you, however, I notice that if a driver for Linux is either missing altogether or incomplete, people are quick to point the finger at the hardware vendor. But when the same scenario happens under Vista, some of these same people will scream that it's all Microsoft's fault.

Frankly, I believe it is the fault of the hardware vendors in both cases. Btu in the end, if stuff doesn't work, then the reason really doesn't matter as far as in end user is concerned. It either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then somebody needs to fix it.

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

So the lack of (or extraordinarily poor) support of webcams, winmodems, scanners, and wifi cards in linux is something the kernel devs should be held accountable for? I don't believe that, and I doubt you do either.

The big problem with the linux way of having drivers as kernel modules is that any time the kernel changes, all the drivers have to change too. This could mean a recompile, but it could also mean more substantial changes. Windows has a layer of abstraction which gives vendors a stable ABI to work with, which means that when the kernel gets patched, drivers still work (the majority of the time anyways)

The linux way works when drivers are opensource, but the linux way makes commercial support pure hell. Since being business friendly is what windows is all about, it would make no sense to go that way.

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