Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jul 2007 09:11 UTC, submitted by Tim Alson
Hardware, Embedded Systems Dell has taken the unusual step - for a PC vendor of its size - of toning down its sales pitch for Microsoft's Vista operating system and warning businesses of the migration challenges that lie ahead for them. The step is particularly unusual because one of the issues the hardware vendor is warning business about is the extra hardware they will need to buy.
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google_ninja
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2006-02-05

So the lack of (or extraordinarily poor) support of webcams, winmodems, scanners, and wifi cards in linux is something the kernel devs should be held accountable for? I don't believe that, and I doubt you do either.

The big problem with the linux way of having drivers as kernel modules is that any time the kernel changes, all the drivers have to change too. This could mean a recompile, but it could also mean more substantial changes. Windows has a layer of abstraction which gives vendors a stable ABI to work with, which means that when the kernel gets patched, drivers still work (the majority of the time anyways)

The linux way works when drivers are opensource, but the linux way makes commercial support pure hell. Since being business friendly is what windows is all about, it would make no sense to go that way.

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cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"So the lack of (or extraordinarily poor) support of webcams, winmodems, scanners, and wifi cards in linux is something the kernel devs should be held accountable for? I don't believe that, and I doubt you do either."

Is that true!? Your spreading little lies again. I have a scanner here a Cannon IDE 30. I have a wifi card here ;a zyxel 202. Both work, if fact the software in Gnu is better(read not trash) than that bundled with the scanner or in Vista, and connecting my wifi to my router;gateway;modem, is simpler process on Gnu for my wifi card. In fact my router;gateway;modem uses Gnu.

I actually chose the wifi card from http://linuxwireless.org/ compatibility list.

The world has evolved past linmodems now, but they were pretty rubbish, and a hardware modem was the only way to go, but many linmodems are supported.

I know nothing of webcams, but I suspect there are also compatibility lists. In fact there was an article that one individual had wrote webcam support for over a thousand webcams.

Is it the fault of Gnu if it is unable to support these devices!? Absolutely especially if they are given access to proper hardware specifications, and a real working relationship with the company involved. The reality is an awful lot of hardware seems to work better on Gnu despite this. Oddly you can buy everything 100% compatible products of *all* those devices *together* for less than the cost of vista home basic oem.

I do find it funny that you lie that you have to recompile the kernel for new devices, when very few compile their kernel at all. I believe Distributions like Suse; Ret Hat; Fedora; Ubuntu all come with a recompiled version...with everything

Microsoft do not even have this excuse or any other for poor hardware support in Vista. Its not like its been in beta for like forever, or hardware/software companies were surprised by the Vista launch, or the fact that Vista was released November last year. When will it come out of beta.

BTW making loads of cash is what Microsoft is all about.

Edited 2007-07-05 20:16

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Is it the fault of Gnu if it is unable to support these devices!? Absolutely especially if they are given access to proper hardware specifications, and a real working relationship with the company involved. The reality is an awful lot of hardware seems to work better on Gnu despite this. Oddly you can buy everything 100% compatible products of *all* those devices *together* for less than the cost of vista home basic oem."


First of all, GNU has nothing at all to do with Linux drivers. Secondly, I wasn't arguing that Linux does not in fact solve all the worlds problems, or that vista is not in fact, the anti-christ.

What I was saying is that the Linux way is technologically very good, but it doesn't work well with commercial support. The reason there are not many closed source drivers in the Linux world is that, as I said, it is a support nightmare. A business would literally have to release a new driver every point release of the kernel. This is a non issue for OSS drivers, as they just get a recompile along with everything else.

Edited 2007-07-05 20:19

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