Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Aug 2007 22:10 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Linux It is not too surprising that Ubuntu came in first in DesktopLinux.com's 2007 Desktop Linux Market Survey, or that Firefox was the topmost browser by far. More interesting is that for the first time ever in the site's annual surveys, GNOME surpassed KDE among desktop environments (45% over 35%), with Xfce a solid third (8%).
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KDE/Gnome
by zizban on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 00:34 UTC
zizban
Member since:
2005-07-06

The thing I noticed about Gnome is there a minimum of apps that come with it--your distribution adds more. KDE, on the hand, is a giant bloated mass. So many apps included in KDE that just sit there, taking up disk space. Sure, you can remove them from the menu but they are still there and there is no way not to install them.

Gnome is just simpler and cleaner. That's why I switched to it.

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RE: KDE/Gnome
by ml2mst on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 01:35 in reply to "KDE/Gnome"
ml2mst Member since:
2005-08-27

O please give it a break. Could we just drop the meaningless KDE vs GNOME wars? They're both bloated and none of them can do something the other one can't.

For all the useless "just disk space waiting" KDE apps, GNOME has an alternative, so that's nether a valid argument ;-)

It's just great to see, that this servey proves that GNU/Linux as a general purpose desktop system is growing in popularity or at least that more GNU/Linux desktop users have participated.

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RE[2]: KDE/Gnome
by aseigo on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 05:26 in reply to "RE: KDE/Gnome"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> Could we just drop the meaningless KDE vs GNOME
> wars?

that i agree with.

> They're both bloated

that just betrays your own ignorance.

> and none of them can do something the other one
> can't.

but this takes the cake. please compare changelogs for the last 5 years and see how consistently gnome changelogs tend to contain things that kde has had for quite some time. remember the whole printing bruhaha? yeah, that was over things kde did for years that gnome couldn't. and let's not even start down the road of amarok, kalzium, marble or many of the other apps that simply do not have real analogs elsewhere in the free software ecosystem.

connivingly ignoring the differences is what causes people to bitch and moan. you say "there is no difference!" well, there is. as soon as people cop to that fact then people can all go their separate ways happy with their personal choices and we can start ending the arguments.

as long as people make stupid statements like "there are no differences!" there will be arguments. accept that your choices are not pan-superior and may even, *gasp*, be inferior in ways but that as your choice it's what you like and that's all the reason you need.

in case the above is hard to understand, let me state it more plainly: people such as yourself making comments such as yours do not help. in fact, they are a primary source of the problems you rail against.

> For all the useless "just disk space waiting" KDE
> apps, GNOME has an alternative, so that's nether a
> valid argument

wow. try living up to your own words before proscribing them to others.

besides being innaccurate, your sentence above doesn't line up with the message of the rest of your comment. besides being out of line with reality, it also ignores the needs of those who happen to prefer kde.

> general purpose desktop system is growing in
> popularity

i think so.

of course, it could also be that desktoplinux.com is growing in popularity, but i think your call here is right based on other trends that can be seen elsewhere.

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RE: KDE/Gnome
by Yagami on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 09:06 in reply to "KDE/Gnome"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

so ... you switched desktops just because you think ( clearly i would like to see proof of this ) that kde uses more disk space ..... i fear for the company you have to make decisions for ! lol

whats next ? you will switch computers because of the "on/off" button ?!

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RE: KDE/Gnome
by Yagami on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 09:08 in reply to "KDE/Gnome"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

[quote] Gnome is just simpler and cleaner. That's why I switched to it.[/quote]

but of course!!! that is the reason why gnome was dropped of slackware ! clearly slackware is only for giant bloated "mass", there is no room for simpler and cleaner things in slackware !

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RE[2]: KDE/Gnome
by superstoned on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 11:51 in reply to "RE: KDE/Gnome"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

LOL

yeah, this shows how it is a matter of perception, not reality. Reality would say KDE is less bloated than Gnome, or equally so at worst. By sharing more functionality, you save memory and disc usage. And it's usability has been hugely improved since 3.2 (which was horrible, indeed). Yet ppl still consider it bloated because it comes with big libraries (even though that's efficient thus good) and think it's unusable.

Certainly, Gnome is ahead in the usability area (except for those area's where it is simply missing crucial functionality). But both KDE and Gnome are mostly ahead of the competition (MS, that is) in the area of usability...

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RE[2]: KDE/Gnome
by ValiSystem on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 12:01 in reply to "RE: KDE/Gnome"
ValiSystem Member since:
2006-02-28

Pat Volkerding gave up on gnome because of maintenance complexity, _not_ because of gnome complexity. There is a huge difference between bloat on the backstage (maintenance, development for devs, compilation, installation for power users/distro developers), and bloat on the stage (slow response, big memory footprint, weird bugs/crashes, brain-dead UI consistency and usability). One refers to the code itself, the other refers to what the code is doing.

[edit: typo]

Edited 2007-08-23 12:02

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RE: KDE/Gnome
by gilboa on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 14:45 in reply to "KDE/Gnome"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

... Not GNOME vs KDE again?
Can't you just give it a rest?

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RE: KDE/Gnome
by anda_skoa on Thu 23rd Aug 2007 17:36 in reply to "KDE/Gnome"
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

Sure, you can remove them from the menu but they are still there and there is no way not to install them.


This is probably the most stupid thing I read the whole week.

I do not know any Linux distribution, or other operating system where KDE is deployed on, where you cannot remove KDE application the way you can remove others, e.g. the package manager.

Actually, why did you install them in the first place?

Let me guess: just to demonstrate that you can artifially create a situation you then can bitch about

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