Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Aug 2007 19:17 UTC, submitted by ganges master
General Development Python 3.0, 'Python 3000', has reached its first public release. This version will be followed by beta releases throughout 2008, and the final release is scheduled for August 2008. "Python 3000 ('Py3k', and released as Python 3.0) is a new version of the language that is incompatible with the 2.x line of releases. The language is mostly the same, but many details, especially how built-in objects like dictionaries and strings work, have changed considerably, and a lot of deprecated features have finally been removed."
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RE[2]: I'm impressed
by Tuna-Fish on Sat 1st Sep 2007 09:38 UTC in reply to "RE: I'm impressed"
Tuna-Fish
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2007-09-01

Yes, big companies like Google are never going to use python because it's lack of backwards compability. No, wait...

Python is, imho pretty much the best language to write web apps at the moment, assuming you control the enviroment where the apps are deployed.

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RE[3]: I'm impressed
by unoengborg on Sat 1st Sep 2007 15:55 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm impressed"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

For web applications, I would probably prefer Java in most cases for performance reasons. On the other hand, sometimes there are more than speed to consider. With tools like Plone and Zope very advanced web functionality can be created without even touching the Python that supplies the functionality in the background.

Python is still a very nice language though. I'm not saying that big companies won't use python. What I'm saying is that they wont use python 3.0 They will stay with the 2.x branch for as long as possible, making much of the new nice stuff sort of wasted..

Just compare the Python situation with that of Java. In the java case, 10 years old, or older java classes runs well on the latest java 6. But even so most people still use jdk1.4, people are afraid to upgrade even though java 6 is a completely different animal with respect to speed and ease of development than jdk1.4, so in reality there is very little reason not to upgrade. Still they don't. So, What do you think will happen to python where backward compatibility is broken deliberately.

IMHO, having just one branch, where you try to be backward compatible for say at least 10 years but evolve without breaking old things is a better way to introduce new things. That way more daring developers have a better chance to influence old conservative ones with a "if it worked for grand dad it works for me" attitude.

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RE[4]: I'm impressed
by sbergman27 on Sat 1st Sep 2007 17:41 in reply to "RE[3]: I'm impressed"
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2005-07-24

"""
For web applications, I would probably prefer Java in most cases for performance reasons.
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Because, as we all know, hardware is expensive. And programmers are cheap.

Check out Django:

http://www.djangoproject.org

If it can handle the Washington Post's site, it can probably handle your sites. It scales out like you wouldn't believe. And with memcached, you have caching at multiple levels, at as fine or as coarse a granularity as you desire.

And the "Curse Gaming" site has shown that it can handle 600,000 pages per hour. (That's pages, not hits.)

Edited 2007-09-01 17:59

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