Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Sep 2007 15:17 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Legal Microsoft suffered a stunning defeat on Monday when a European Union court backed a European Commission ruling that the US software giant illegally abused its market power to crush competitors. The European Union's second-highest court dismissed the company's appeal on all substantive points of the 2004 antitrustruling. The court said Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, was unjustified in tying new applications to its Windows operating system in a way that harmed consumer choice. The verdict, which may be appealed only on points of law and not of fact, could force Microsoft to change its business practices.
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gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

Yes, it tells me that no resellers are advertising the N-version. It is completely impossible to find anyone selling it.

And how is that Microsoft's fault? Because resellers don't want to sell it? Maybe it's because they have no reason (read: $$$) to support 2 different versions when, most likely, first thing Joe Sixpack will ask is: "How do I play my audio and video files? What da hell is this?"

Maybe EU should now compensate Microsoft for expenses thay had to produce extra version (Windows N), version that nobody wants. Not even resellers, as you said.

Hey, why don't you start business selling it and see how well it goes? You seem to think that there is much demand for it.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

And how is that Microsoft's fault?


Have I said it was the fault of Microsoft? No, I haven't. Fault doesn't matter here. What matters is whether or not Microsoft gives users the choice they have the right to.

It didn't sell because they didn't want to sell it. Why bother, since it is power users who care about the option? Power users already have a third party solution (nLite, vLite etc.).

The answer to Joe Sixpack is. Use a Media Player. There is MPC, VLC and a gazillion others. But the market was already taken by applications like nLite.

version that nobody wants

That's not true. Many people wants a version of Windows without Wi [/q]MP. They use nLite or tools like it to create custom install-CD's.

You forget that the customers who are interested in Windows N already have a version of Windows. Why buy 2 Windows licenses when you use a third party tool to do what Microsoft claims you cannot do?

Hey, why don't you start business selling it and see how well it goes? You seem to think that there is much demand for it.


Why don't you just behave like a grown-up adult instead of acting like a script-kiddie? Take a look at forums and at third party tools and you'll see how much people want to control their own systems.

WHY should we pau 800$ AGAIN!! to Microsoft just to get something we have been entitled to, the WHOLE time.

Why should Microsoft get away with violating the Human Rights Convention?

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gonzo Member since:
2005-11-10

Have I said it was the fault of Microsoft? No, I haven't. Fault doesn't matter here. What matters is whether or not Microsoft gives users the choice they have the right to.

Microsoft IS offering Windows N versions. EU has made it do so. Stop blaming Microsoft if none of the resellers doesn't want to resell it. Had Microsoft failed to provide Windows XP N or Vista N, EU would have reacted already.

EU has ordered Microsoft to provide Windows N. And MS did it. There is your Windows without WMP. It is there already.

For example, everyone with MSDN has access to it. I can download XP N right now. Right now. One click away. Do you want me to send you freaking screenshot?

So don't freaking tell me customers do not have access. (and please do not tell me resellers have no access. They do, but it is not upon MS or EU to force them to sell it if they don't want to.)

Why should Microsoft get away with violating the Human Rights Convention?

..and global warming too ;)

P.S.
Don't forget to mod me down ;-)

Edited 2007-09-17 19:44

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

nLite usage is illegal afaik.

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