Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Sep 2007 12:28 UTC, submitted by stonyandcher
Windows Critics who blasted Microsoft three months ago for failing to deliver Windows Vista add-ons have again called the company on the carpet, this time for missing its self-imposed deadline to provide promised extras. In late June, bloggers and users were already panning Vista Ultimate Extras as a bust. Extras, available only to customers running the top-end Vista edition, was one of the features cited by Microsoft to distinguish the USD 399 operating system from its USD 239 cousin, Home Premium. Microsoft's online marketing, for instance, touted Extras as 'cutting-edge programs, innovative services, and unique publications' that would be regularly offered to Ultimate users.
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Ultimate cd's
by MNKyDeth on Tue 25th Sep 2007 13:25 UTC
MNKyDeth
Member since:
2006-07-24

Doesn't the Ultimate dvd's MS sells have both the 32x and x86_64 version of vista on them?
If so, I am pretty sure this is what they meant by "unique publications".

I also assume "innovative services" means the windows update service. As MS puts more checking software in it than anyone and how they make sure it gets on your machine does get more inovative.

Oh and the "cutting-edge programs" has just got to be the updated cmd front-end wich will now let you use tab completion. lol

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RE: Ultimate cd's
by TemporalBeing on Tue 25th Sep 2007 14:25 in reply to "Ultimate cd's"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

All Microsoft distributed Vista DVD's have every version of Vista on them - x86, and x86-64, as well as everything from Home to Ultimate. However, you only get a license for one of those editions.

For example, you'll get a Vista DVD, and a license for Vista Ultimate 32-bit x86, or you'll get a license for Vista Ultimate 64-bit x86 (x86-64). You could use the same DVD to install both licenses, but you cannot take the 32-bit x86 license and use it to install the Vista Ultimate 64-bit x86 version.

Nor could you take the Vista Home Edition license and use it to install Vista Business Edition - or Vista Ultimate and use it to install Vista Home Edition.

Since they are distributing the software this way, expect that there will at some point, likely in the next year, a crack that will allow you to install one of the other versions - or perhaps even upgrade from one version to another. It wouldn't surprise me if the cracker network already had such a crack; but eventually it'll be out in the open.

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RE[2]: Ultimate cd's
by baadger on Tue 25th Sep 2007 17:02 in reply to "RE: Ultimate cd's"
baadger Member since:
2006-08-29

All Microsoft distributed Vista DVD's have every version of Vista on them - x86, and x86-64


No they don't, I have an official MSDN x86 only ISO of RTM right here, and I have a friend who bought a retail copy of Vista "x64" and his media only has x86_64 install options.

As far as I know, there is no *official* all in one disc shipping both x86 and x86_64 install options.

All Vista media does include all *editions* of Vista, but not all *architectures*.

You could use the same DVD to install both licenses, but you cannot take the 32-bit x86 license and use it to install the Vista Ultimate 64-bit x86 version.


Wrong again, I have a license for Vista Business Edition (Essentially the same as Home Premium with a few minor differences) provided to me for free via university.

The download link provided is an x86 ISO, but I had no problems using the CD key (Which is unique to me, all students have different keys, I checked) and installing and activating an x86_64 install using my friends "x64" media.

Since they are distributing the software this way, expect that there will at some point, likely in the next year, a crack that will allow you to install one of the other versions - or perhaps even upgrade from one version to another.


Cracks have bee readily available for Vista activation since *before* RTM and the current generation of cracks will 'activate' any edition in either x86 or x86_64 flavors. Microsoft themselves make it possible to install any edition of Vista from any media without inserting a CD key during install...just leave the field blank.

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RE[2]: Ultimate cd's
by broken_symlink on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:48 in reply to "RE: Ultimate cd's"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

the fact that you are saying that there is no publicly available crack is news to me. i thought vista would of been cracked a week before it came out ;-p maybe the crackers just don't care anymore and have moved on to linux or maybe they are afraid of running vista.

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RE: Ultimate cd's
by Laurence on Tue 25th Sep 2007 16:15 in reply to "Ultimate cd's"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"Oh and the "cutting-edge programs" has just got to be the updated cmd front-end wich will now let you use tab completion."


This was available in XP too.

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RE[2]: Ultimate cd's
by MNKyDeth on Tue 25th Sep 2007 16:24 in reply to "RE: Ultimate cd's"
MNKyDeth Member since:
2006-07-24

Using a clients computer wich has XP on it and it doesn't seem to use tab completion. Guess there is someplace to enable it.
You must also realize my post was a joke and a poke at vista. Yes I have vista on another comp as I had to learn it in order to fix it at my job.
I'm just thankfull my job allows me to use any OS I want whenever I want to do my job. My job is stupid easy as long as I can use Linux or BSD. Make me use MS OS's and then I would have to actually work.

Never used a mac OS so I cannot comment on those.

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