Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Oct 2007 15:34 UTC, submitted by te_lanus
SuSE, openSUSE OpenSUSE 10.3 has been released today. "This version contains new beautiful green artwork, KDE 3.5.7 and parts of KDE 4, SUSE-polished GNOME 2.20, a GTK version of YaST, a new 1-click-install technology, MP3 support out-of-the-box, new and redesigned YaST modules, compiz and compiz fusion advances, virtualisation improvements, OpenOffice.org 2.3, Xfce 4.4.1, and much more!"
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RE[6]: Umm, not for me
by grat on Fri 5th Oct 2007 00:38 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Umm, not for me"
grat
Member since:
2006-02-02

Please don't associate me too closely with the FSF.

Fair enough. ;)

That said, Novell has a track record of buying Open-Source companies and opening up certain portions of the code, like YAST, which had value to the original company, but little value to them, while keeping their own closed source code close to their chests, proudly proclaiming their mixed-source status.

Novell has the best directory service, and the best identity management tools out there. They may still have the best desktop management package (Zenworks), I haven't looked at it recently.

I don't blame them for not giving those up.

Don't forget that openSuSE (the reason for this thread) didn't really exist prior to Novell-- You had two options for SuSE linux, buy the box (I have several), or install from FTP with zero support. You want ISO's? Tough.

Now we have the openSuSE distro, the SLES distro, the SLED distro, and the under-appreciated SuSE Build Service, which currently builds packages for SuSE, Fedora, Debian, Mandriva and Ubuntu.

I put Balmer and Hovsepian in pretty much the same category. Except that Balmer has the much stronger hand of cards. If I were Hovsepian, I'd feel pretty desperate at this point. And I probably wouldn't care if I had to damage Linux to save Novell. *If* I were Hovsepian, that is.

Novell is too dependent on Linux to jeopardize it. Damage to Linux *IS* damage to Novell.

It's conceivable they could patch up the various closed-source projects and make them run on top of *BSD, but NSS (very nice filesystem) relies on EVMS, and to my knowledge, EVMS doesn't run under *BSD. Not a total show stopper, but would certainly bring OES deployments to a screeching halt until it was fixed.

Their current "official" support for the old NetWare 6.5 kernel is to run it in a domU Xen instance-- again, doable under *BSD, but not easily-- the BSD port of Xen is apparently poorly maintained currently.

I can't come up with a single scenario wherein Novell and Linux don't have common interests, and common enemies-- at least, not one that doesn't require excessive amounts of tinfoil.

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RE[7]: Umm, not for me
by sbergman27 on Fri 5th Oct 2007 02:22 in reply to "RE[6]: Umm, not for me"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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I can't come up with a single scenario wherein Novell and Linux don't have common interests, and common enemies-- at least, not one that doesn't require excessive amounts of tinfoil.

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How about the scenario in which Novell receives $348 million in cash from a company which has declared Linux to be its greatest competitor? Just a thought. But it's been a long time since anyone gave me $348 million without expecting something in return.

No tinfoil there. You might want to take your blinders off, though. ;-)

Edited 2007-10-05 02:26

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RE[8]: Umm, not for me
by grat on Fri 5th Oct 2007 03:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Umm, not for me"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

How about the scenario in which Novell receives $348 million in cash from a company which has declared Linux to be its greatest competitor? Just a thought. But it's been a long time since anyone gave me $348 million without expecting something in return.

And Novell *is* giving them something in return. They're making payments to Microsoft over 5 years. They're co-funding an "interoperability lab", although I'm waiting to see what actually comes out of that lab.

Most importantly, Novell isn't suing over any patents Microsoft might have violated, at least not until 2012.

If you're thinking Novell couldn't win, let's not forget that Microsoft helped Novell buy SuSE in the first place, by handing them a 536 million dollar settlement for previous anti-trust violations.

Any company that can extract nearly a billion dollars from Microsoft and *still* threaten them publicly, gets my support.

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RE[7]: Umm, not for me
by SlackerJack on Fri 5th Oct 2007 03:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Umm, not for me"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well for one Novell had to, in order to make it work because Novell didn't have a clue how to deal with SUSE/linux. Novell pretty much was going under but they brought SUSE and they are not known for their good business decisions. Some would say the MS deal is a sign of that.

Novell will do whats best for their customers not for Linux as a whole and the whole deal pretty much says that.

Edited 2007-10-05 03:28

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