Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 6th Oct 2007 23:12 UTC, submitted by Kaj de Vos
Syllable, AtheOS The first development release of Syllable Server is available. It provides a text mode Linux environment, but also contains a preliminary graphical environment built on the framebuffer device, with DirectFB and SDL on top. The planned graphical environment from Syllable Desktop is not included yet. The installation procedure is short, but is still manual - and resembles the installation procedure for the old AtheOS. Included are tools such as a graphical web browser, a file manager and an editor. One thing Syllable Server is designed for is to function as a light-weight virtualisation platform for running other operating systems (or multiple instances of itself). The QEmu virtualisor/emulator is included, and the KQEmu Accelerator kernel module is integrated into the system. There's a screenshot of Syllable Server running on Syllable Desktop, installation and usage instructions, a torrent (preferred), and an installation package [.tar.7z].
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by sbergman27 on Sun 7th Oct 2007 17:48 UTC
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Kudos to them for recognizing the value of lzma compression. I often see lzma produce 30-40% smaller file sizes than bzip2.

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RE: lzma
by WiggetyWhack on Sun 7th Oct 2007 20:47 in reply to "lzma"
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What a flat out lie. You can't beat bzip2 with anything but a few percent, except on the occasional obscure crafted file. Prove it, I say. You say "often". I invite you to pick any exe on teh intarweb, compress it with bzip2 and lzma and post the results to something like fileshack.

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RE[2]: lzma
by Vanders on Sun 7th Oct 2007 21:03 in reply to "RE: lzma"
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Did you even try it yourself first? It's not hard to test. Here's the first random, moderately sized file I thought of to try:

kristian@mars:~/Temp$ ls -l*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 kristian kristian 1216808 2007-10-07 21:53
-rw-r--r-- 1 kristian kristian 435125 2007-10-07 21:53
-rwxr-xr-x 1 kristian kristian 536797 2007-10-07 21:53

That's a 100k difference over bzip2 -9. For a very large file which may be downloaded a large number of times the difference is even more pronounced:

kristian@mars:~/Temp$ ls -lh syllable-0.6.4.iso*
-rw-r--r-- 1 kristian kristian 106M 2007-10-07 21:58 syllable-0.6.4.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 kristian kristian 77M 2007-10-07 22:02 syllable-0.6.4.iso.7z
-rw-r--r-- 1 kristian kristian 82M 2007-10-07 21:58 syllable-0.6.4.iso.bz2

Edited 2007-10-07 21:04

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RE[2]: lzma
by sbergman27 on Sun 7th Oct 2007 21:55 in reply to "RE: lzma"
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What a flat out lie. You can't beat bzip2 with anything...


The data I transfer daily in lzma format is my own customers' point of sale data. I can't very well send you that. So try this instead:

cd /etc
tar -c -v -f - . | cat > ~/test.tar
tar -c -v -f - . | bzip2 > ~/test.tar.bz2
tar -c -v -f - . | lzma -9 > ~/test.tar.lzma

Here are the results on my FC7 system:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 114114560 2007-10-07 16:39 test.tar
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9486794 2007-10-07 16:40 test.tar.bz2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6953453 2007-10-07 16:44 test.tar.lzma

That's 27% smaller than the bzip2 file, on a test I pulled randomly out of the air.

The *big* news here is that there are actually bzip2 zealots in this world! Who'd have thought?

Would you like a valium?

Edited 2007-10-07 22:02

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RE: lzma
by DigitalAxis on Sun 7th Oct 2007 22:04 in reply to "lzma"
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On the other hand, in my experience LZMA compressors tend to take several times longer than other programs to compress data... (recent test with about a gig of .fits files from my research; gzip 5:48, bzip2 11:49, 7zip 56:51; none really compressed them very much though gzip was worst and 7zip was best) So it's a tradeoff between compression ratio and speed. If you don't care about compression time, LZMA is awesome.

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RE[2]: lzma
by sbergman27 on Sun 7th Oct 2007 22:23 in reply to "RE: lzma"
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No. These days you have a choice with lzma. The package I use accepts switches -1 through -9, like gzip. At -1, the compression is about like bzip2 and with comparable speed. -7 is the default and the sweet spot, regarding both compression speed and memory usage vs compression effectiveness.

-9 is slower, yes. But it gets better results.
Gzip is still good for when you need speed. Lzop is great for when you need *blazing* speed with, still, remarkably effective compression. (Well... all things considered.)

Bzip2 is still good for... I'm not sure what. But it's popular. ;-)

lzma has been hampered by implementations with incredibly obtuse user interfaces, unfortunately. I just recently extricated myself from that mess. These days I just use it like gzip.

Edited 2007-10-07 22:41

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