Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 26th Oct 2007 05:34 UTC, submitted by WillM
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "Experts say that migrations from Unix to Linux have slowed down because all the low-hanging fruit has now been picked. Linux growth in the U.S. x86 server market has, over the past six quarters, started to falter and reverse its positive course relative to Windows Server and the market as a whole." More here.
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SEJeff
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2005-11-05

How about funding REALLY SMART PEOPLE like Federico:
http://www.gnome.org/~federico/

Or giving Miguel a platform to stand on and bring C# to Linux? Say what you want about mono being evil, but the part that is ECMA compliant would not be where it is without a corporate sponsor like Novell.

Hmmmmmm maybe open sourcing the code to netmail (and admittingly killing the project) as Hula which has forked to bongo (http://www.bongo-project.org)

What about Tango, http://www.betterdesktop.org, Michael Meeks who runs a good chunk of the non-Sun controlled friendly OpenOffice fork http://go-oo.org ?

Maybe it doesn't matter that their suse engineers have done a lot of work on projects like Samba or the Linux kernel helping the world? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alkml.org+%28~*~...

segedunum, a lot of your comments are very controversial and quite good actually. This was not one of them. I could go on for hours about good OR bad things that Novell has done. Don't blindly hate someone because they are trying to make their customers money although I agree they are doing it in a very braindumb way.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

How about funding REALLY SMART PEOPLE like Federico:
http://www.gnome.org/~federico/


It's not making them any more money.

Or giving Miguel a platform to stand on and bring C# to Linux? Say what you want about mono being evil, but the part that is ECMA compliant would not be where it is without a corporate sponsor like Novell.

Bottom line is, it's not making them any more money.

Hmmmmmm maybe open sourcing the code to netmail (and admittingly killing the project) as Hula which has forked to bongo (http://www.bongo-project.org)

Netmail was essentially useless to Novell, and so they dumped the source. There's nothing in there that matters to Novell, so don't expect any two-way contributions from Novell and the community like in most successful projects.

What about Tango, http://www.betterdesktop.org, Michael Meeks who runs a good chunk of the non-Sun controlled friendly OpenOffice fork http://go-oo.org ?

Desktop stuff isn't making them any money. It's good for us that they're doing it, but ultimately it must be viable. They haven't got the basics right first.

segedunum, a lot of your comments are very controversial and quite good actually. This was not one of them. I could go on for hours about good OR bad things that Novell has done.

That's not what I'm saying. The point I'm making, with respect to the article, is that all this isn't making any headway in terms of their revenue and market share with respect to their biggest competitor - Microsoft and Windows. Anything else isn't the bottom line. That's actually bad for the Linux and the wider open source community.

Don't blindly hate someone because they are trying to make their customers money...

Are they?

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SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

Ok fair enough. I took your parent posting completely wrong as a "It is cool to bash Novell" rant. Let me apologize for that.

Novell getting in bed with the devil has alienated them from the community, but gained them many ignorant customers. Many of those customers are afraid of Microsoft's saber rattling and shy away from Redhat for that very reason.

The technical wing of Novell (SUSE Labs and the Ximian Monkeys) developed the right OSS mentality while the upper management / business side of them is stuck in the days of old. The clash of ideas here will likely end up making them a great buyout target. Their Unix IP is one heck of a weapon in the current market.

If Microsoft trys Oracle-style force takeover tactics and it is good for the investor's bottom-line, Novell is through.

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