Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Oct 2007 20:27 UTC
Mac OS X "While the Apple hype machine and its fanatical followers would have you believe that Mac OS X 10.5 'Leopard' is a major upgrade to the company's venerable operating system, nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, Leopard is yet another evolutionary upgrade in a long line of evolutionary OS X upgrades, all of which date back to the original OS X release in 2001. But let me get one huge misunderstanding out of the way immediately: That's not a dig at Leopard at all. Indeed, if anything, Apple is in an enviable position: OS X is so solid, so secure, and so functionally excellent that it must be getting difficult figuring out how to massage another USD 129 out even the most ardent fans. Folks, Leopard is good stuff. But then that's been true of Mac OS X for quite a while now." Additionally, Apple acknowledges installation problems caused by Unsanity's APE, while others are complaining about problems with Java, or visual oddities. Additionally, there are hacks that restore the black dock triangles, opacify the menubar, and to enable Time Machine on Airport disks. Update: It appears the Leopard firewall has a dent in its armour.
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What do you expect from a MS Fansite?
by sultanqasim on Mon 29th Oct 2007 22:37 UTC
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2006-10-28

The article puts everything out of perspective.

For example, he says that both Vista and Leopard were late but from his wording, it sounds like vista was a about month later than Leopard. Yup, 4 years is only a bit more than 3 months. Bravo Paul, Bravo.

Next he compares Time Machine to some odd-ball, unrelated, obscure server backup thing. WTF? He also says it requires an external drive WHICH IS FALSE! JUST REPARTITION YOUR DRIVE STUPID! He also says it will take hours and hours to pick the correct version of a file by using a much quicker date picker. Great, I guess you are unable to read dates and use Quick Look, Paul.

How about Vista's 11,000 new features? Give me a list. I bet you'll have a hard time finding more than 500 after 5 years unless you count each pixel in the windows logo a new feature.

How about spotlight being copied from windows? Searching for files has been out for ages, the only new feature vista added was a method to slowly search the start menu and to make searches painfully slow.

As for Safari features, did you notice many of them appeared in firefox after them being demoed in WWDC '06. Many still aren't in it yet. How about IE7? It's too bad for you to mention.

The list goes on an on but i'll end it at that. Your article was 10% fact and 90% bias and misinformation, Paul.

Edited 2007-10-29 22:38

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sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

WHICH IS FALSE! JUST REPARTITION YOUR DRIVE STUPID!

This is just classic. Completely defeat the purpose of a backup by enabling it on the same drive. Oh god.

For example, he says that both Vista and Leopard were late but from his wording, it sounds like vista was a about month later than Leopard. Yup, 4 years is only a bit more than 3 months. Bravo Paul, Bravo.

I believe based on officially announced release dates, Vista was no more late than Leopard was.

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leos Member since:
2005-09-21

This is just classic. Completely defeat the purpose of a backup by enabling it on the same drive. Oh god.


It won't protect against hardware failure, but it will keep track of previous versions, so it's still very useful if your drive doesn't die.

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sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

True, the '03, 04 and 05 release dates weren't formally announced but how about this? http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/aug04/08-27target2006...

Still an year late.

Time Machine Has 2 Purposes. one is back up for an emergency failure and the other is to recover lost files and revert to older versions of files. For hard drive failure, your point is valid. But if you just want to recover lost files and old versions, backing up onto the same hard drive is fine. If he wants a failure backup, why is he complaining about needing an external drive?

I'm not saying Leopard is perfect (there are still many areas where improvement is possible/needed) but many of Paul Thurrot's points are quite weak. After all, he runs the windows supersite. He ought to be biased towards windows just like a mac fan will be biased towards macs.

Edited 2007-10-30 00:23

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ebac Member since:
2007-10-30

>>WHICH IS FALSE! JUST REPARTITION YOUR DRIVE STUPID!
>>
>This is just classic. Completely defeat the purpose of a backup by >enabling it on the same drive. Oh god.

not really

>> For example, he says that both Vista and Leopard were late but
>> from his wording, it sounds like vista was a about month later than
>> Leopard. Yup, 4 years is only a bit more than 3 months. Bravo Paul,
>> Bravo.

>I believe based on officially announced release dates, Vista was no
>more late than Leopard was.

HAHAHA that is funny ;) ))) I wish MS learns to ship there products when they say they will. Not delaying them for YEARS. Lets see when will they ship Windows 7 from the officially announced (2-2.5 years after Vista ships) and we are already half way there and there is nothing yet out and there wont be until who knows when. Dream on bro.... But that is very funny what you wrote! ;) ))))))

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

"For example, he says that both Vista and Leopard were late but from his wording, it sounds like vista was a about month later than Leopard. Yup, 4 years is only a bit more than 3 months. Bravo Paul, Bravo. "

Leopard was slated to be released before Vista, it's not really that important but it is entertaining seeing Karma bite Steve Jobs in the ass.

"Next he compares Time Machine to some odd-ball, unrelated, obscure server backup thing. WTF? He also says it requires an external drive WHICH IS FALSE! JUST REPARTITION YOUR DRIVE STUPID! He also says it will take hours and hours to pick the correct version of a file by using a much quicker date picker. Great, I guess you are unable to read dates and use Quick Look, Paul. "

Time Machine is nothing but a gimmick. It's a feature that's existed in Windows since the 2003 Server iteration, and is definitely included in Vista.

"How about Vista's 11,000 new features? Give me a list. I bet you'll have a hard time finding more than 500 after 5 years unless you count each pixel in the windows logo a new feature. "

Considering that apple.com names things like "Zoom in on iDVD" as a feature, it shouldn't be too hard to find 500 features.

Hell, I'd bet I can twist words around and get 300 new features out of Windows Vista SP1 alone.

"How about spotlight being copied from windows? Searching for files has been out for ages, the only new feature vista added was a method to slowly search the start menu and to make searches painfully slow. "

Longhorn showed off instant search at a PDC before it was even introduced into OSX. It's sort of hard to take you seriously when you tack on stupidity to the end of every one of your statements.

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protagonist Member since:
2005-07-06

"Longhorn showed off instant search at a PDC before it was even introduced into OSX."

Actually, indexing the drive has been around a lot longer than that. Can you say "Magellan"? And it came on 5 1/4" floppy disks. :-)

But it was probably around before that as well.

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DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Having been burned by backups on the same disk (when the physical disk fails... kaput! Never mind that the backups actually weren't being done and no one was told...) While it can be done, backing up onto the same drive only guards against software failure.

You want a backup in another physical device. Really, you do. Maybe even in another computer. In another room. In another building. On the moon.

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aent Member since:
2006-01-25

I bet you'll have a hard time finding more than 500 after 5 years unless you count each pixel in the windows logo a new feature.


Unfortunately, to reach the 300 new features for OS X, Apple had to do just that, among their 300 new features:
- A link to Google Maps
- Boot Camp adds SEVEN features of the 300 (Boot Camp, Boot Camp Assist, the drivers, copying files, keyboard support, and a taskbar shortcut are among the new Leopard features, Microsoft would have just listed "Boot Camp" as the new feature
- Apple specifically lists "New Look" as a new feature for Safari
- 14 of the new features on the list are for adding new langauges, which takes up to 3 new features each (X spell check, X support in dictionary, X localization support)
- Apparently "Printer Support" is a new feature in Leopard
- Safari's list (13 features) is mostly talking about the addition of DnD support for tabs, same for Terminal (same exact new feature)
- 6 new screensavers, errm, features were added
- Spaces adds 5 features
- Empty Trash Button is a very impressive feature
- Time Machine is 11 features

I could go on, but as you can see, if Microsoft measured features like that ("New Look", 8 different new features for each application where they added tab DnD support, 3 features for each language it supports, and stuff like "Printer Support" as new features, you can get to whatever number you want pretty quickly.

I mentioned over 60 of Leopard's new features in this post.

Edited 2007-10-30 16:19

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ebac Member since:
2007-10-30

>if Microsoft measured features like that ("New Look", 8 different new
>features for each application where they added tab DnD support, 3
>features for each language it supports, and stuff like "Printer Support" as
>new features, you can get to whatever number you want pretty quickly.

Well why MS doesn't measure features like that? They are free to. I dont think anyone will mind or have a problem with that whatsoever. So your post is kind of pointless my friend I have to say.

To help you get it, the problem people have is there product "Vista" is slowwwwwwwwww as hell and annoying like having food stuck between your teeth that you cant get out. Constantly gets in your way of doing things, lowers the productivity and demoralizes people emotionally by frustrating the user.

For Microsoft to be great, again, they will have to STOP releasing new features for then next 10 years and just work on improving/revising the existing functionality to the point it is perfect again and usable by human beings.

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