Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Oct 2007 20:27 UTC
Mac OS X "While the Apple hype machine and its fanatical followers would have you believe that Mac OS X 10.5 'Leopard' is a major upgrade to the company's venerable operating system, nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, Leopard is yet another evolutionary upgrade in a long line of evolutionary OS X upgrades, all of which date back to the original OS X release in 2001. But let me get one huge misunderstanding out of the way immediately: That's not a dig at Leopard at all. Indeed, if anything, Apple is in an enviable position: OS X is so solid, so secure, and so functionally excellent that it must be getting difficult figuring out how to massage another USD 129 out even the most ardent fans. Folks, Leopard is good stuff. But then that's been true of Mac OS X for quite a while now." Additionally, Apple acknowledges installation problems caused by Unsanity's APE, while others are complaining about problems with Java, or visual oddities. Additionally, there are hacks that restore the black dock triangles, opacify the menubar, and to enable Time Machine on Airport disks. Update: It appears the Leopard firewall has a dent in its armour.
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Goord lord
by kaiwai on Tue 30th Oct 2007 02:21 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

And so the Apple bashers come out in full force. One thing atleast you can be assured of, it'll actually get fixed.

1) Java was not merged because Java 6 was probably not mature enough - do developers want a framework that work, end users want a framework that actually works.

I'd say to Apple, take your time, get 10.4.11 sorted out, get 10.5.1 sorted out and when you ship Java 6, make sure it actually hits the ground running rather than bringing in something that is buggy and problematic.

2) There are bugs with x.0 releases; whether its Windows or Mac OS X - but lets not blow this completely out of proportion. The vast majority of people and reviewers who have installed Leopard have raved about how surprisingly good it is for a x.0 product.

3) For those having problems - interesting, almost everyone of these people seem to be those who don't take the advice and do an 'archive and install'. If you do have problems, don't lie about the fact you didn't follow good practice - then spout garbage on your blog about issues that you yourself created.

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RE: Goord lord
by siimo on Tue 30th Oct 2007 03:24 in reply to "Goord lord"
siimo Member since:
2006-06-22

Umm what are you talking about? Java 6 has been out for a long time for other platforms how is it not mature?

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RE: Goord lord
by ahmetaa on Tue 30th Oct 2007 03:27 in reply to "Goord lord"
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2005-07-06

well, for java, lets hope so. but Java 6 already had 3 updates in other three major platforms, so it would be no so fair to call it "buggy and problematic". what apple really did wrong was not to give any explanations about it. there is a big java developer crowd using macs and this attitude is disappointing them badly.

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RE[2]: Goord lord
by kaiwai on Tue 30th Oct 2007 03:56 in reply to "RE: Goord lord"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

well, for java, lets hope so. but Java 6 already had 3 updates in other three major platforms, so it would be no so fair to call it "buggy and problematic". what apple really did wrong was not to give any explanations about it. there is a big java developer crowd using macs and this attitude is disappointing them badly.


Dear god, ok, I'll go and get the source code, find some operating system and just compile - I can't? it might need to be ported! but according to ahmetaa and siimo, not testing should be required, it all works!

Please, get a clue. Just because Java 6 is available for Linux and Windows, doesn't mean that its just an automatic compile away; get a clue on what Apple does, then come back spouting uninformed garbage.

Edited 2007-10-30 03:59

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RE: Goord lord
by tyrione on Tue 30th Oct 2007 08:39 in reply to "Goord lord"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Sun is restructuring a lot in Java 6. I'd rather Apple wait to release Java 6 after Sun releases their upcoming update. The JavaFX, the Consumer JRE and changes to threading and Applets are just a few major changes that depending on how they are implemented will have to be addressed at Apple and it's Java infrastructure.

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